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I may also learn something. Where did you find out that only the very old ones glow ?
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What camera and setup do you use?
wvrons replied to schmoozer's topic in General Marble & Glass Chat
I use a cheap out of production Sony DSC T200 small pocket size, with super macro and Carl Zeiss lens. Used these for at least 15-20 years. No special lighting or light box. I have had probably ten of them. Dropped one in the Ohio river four feet deep. Let it dry worked out the mud and sand. That was about eight years ago and it is still in use. They can be found on ebay for $20.00-$50.00, some with the box and all the extras. I have had them so close to the furnace and machine at Jabo that they stopped working. Let them cool and they worked fine again. Get the setup correct, point and shoot. I have had two other $500.00 camera that did not do near as well for marbles. The key is close up in focus pictures. Ture color can be lighting or white balance. Many light bulbs give off a yellow light. White light or daylight, bulbs work ok. -
I agree the marble above is a Jabo classic swirl. Jabo made classic pee wees for several years, but small batches and many of the marbles were out of round or roll marked because most were made on 5/8 or 9/16 size rollers. Richard made a few batches at my request each year for 4-5 years. Dave M. later made a couple runs on the actual Vitro pee wee machine with less than 1/2 roll grooves. Every total original Akro Popeye box and bag set included a Akro pee wee in the section that contained the bag. All these that I have seen contained Akro patch pee wee marbles. I would think any Akro corkscrew at 1/2 inch or smaller would be a error or mistake. As they would have needed more special equipment and a 1/2 size or smaller spinner cup etc. to produce 1/2 inch corkscrews regular as standard production. If they did produce them regular we would probably see good numbers of them. I would expect the percentage of 1/2 inch and under Akro corkscrews to be 1% or much less out of a 100% of all the corkscrews that Akro made.
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Sorry I didn't realize that I recommended for you to sell or give it away. It was just my opinion or experience, forget it.
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I also am not sure it is old as before 1960's. It is a paper weight not a marble. I see more of the millefiori as paper weights than I do marbles. The last one I bought was 2 inches and I paid $3.00. I thought that was cheap enough. But I tried for five years to sell it at marble shows for $5.00 with no luck. I gave it away to a kid at a marble show last year.
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Let's get our Claws out on this subject
wvrons replied to akroorka's topic in General Marble & Glass Chat
A couple large ones I have that are three inch marbles and a couple of one inch ones. All have brass holder claws. The large marbles were made in a mold as you can see the seam or mold mark around the outside middle. The smaller ones are one inch, a yellow latticino and a sold core. I have seen the one inch clear mold ones on many piano stool legs. -
More information for them is much needed. Maybe the company who made them had a name for them ? It is difficult to change a name once it is used for some time. Like with the Peltier John Deere. The John Deere tractor is base green with yellow accents. But the marble is yellow base with green accents. The name is backwards but there is no way to change the mistake now. Using the Tri Lite name and before long people will be selling these as Vitro Tri Lite or just Tri Lites to new collectors or uneducated older collectors. Each time a name already in use for time, is used for another company or a different marble, it has caused confusion and long lasting problems. Same question I ask almost weekly. How many different Superman marbles are there ? Some companies have more than one. Jabo may have four or five Superman. What was the first company to have a marble named Superman ? Names are a benefit but need to be used proper, correct and with caution. Peo The name game can and has got out of hand or control. Just check Ebay marble Listing. People assume if it has a name it is worth more. So they name everything any name they want. The more flashy, super rare, super old, or any name to catch the eye of a unsuspecting buyer. They do it now every week by the hundreds. It may be listed as a Vitro Whitie and actually be a modern Jabo or Vacor.
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Using the names which has been used for or by another company or a already named marble has always and will always cause more confusion.
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Let's get our Claws out on this subject
wvrons replied to akroorka's topic in General Marble & Glass Chat
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#1 Jabo #2 Messed up error Marble King Rainbow #3 Vitro Tiger Eye #4 Maybe Cairo Novelty or Jabo ? # 5 Maybe a messed up Vitro Blackie ? #6 Messed up Akro or Vitro ? #7 Vacor from Mexico #8 Peltier Multi Color #9 Vitro Tri Lite #10 Messed up Akro patch #11 Slag or swirl ? #12 ???? # 13 Master Brushed patch #14 Peltier Rainbo # 15 Master #16 Vitro #17 Alley swirl #18 Vitro later Whitie #19 Vitro # 20 Master patch # 21 Peltier Multi Color #22 Akro #23 Champion Furnace #24 Alley swirl My finger and eyes are tired. To many in one post. Size is much easier for me in inches, 1\2-9/16-5/8-11/16-3/4-7/8 etc. Now for more opinions !
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Now we know ! Clay not glass. I was wrong assuming it was glass.
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Is there a color combo that was not used by Jabo ? Jabo made billions of marbles 1994 to 2008, before any special investor runs happened. When you make millions and millions per week for many years. You will end up with most color combinations possible. Some are unique but they are few and usually three, four or five colors combinations. It is green base with brown added. I am not 100% sure who made it. But I get just as much feelings for Jabo or any swirl company as I do Peltier. It is a error, a mistake, non standard production which makes it very difficult to id accurate. What are the traits with the original marble that point to Peltier the most ? I disagree highly that the Chevron or Rams Head or Ying Yang patterns are Peltier traits any more than many other companies. The largest picture in the group of six above looks like many different companies swirl marbles. Alley, Ravenswood, Champion, Jabo, etc. With that picture what looks Peltier ?
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Every swirl company made Rams Head, Chevron, and Ying Yang patterns. They are all errors. When the hot glass glob did not spin on its own axis in all directions. Because of many reasons, temperature, size, speed, and more. They happened every day. Sometimes every hour or every four hours or every six hours. Vitro made a lot of swirls in larger sizes, they are errors. The larger the marble, the harder it is to control everything. Akro made swirls and Marble King made swirls, they are errors, not planned standard production. Put a fancy name on a mistake, error or non standard production marbles and raise the price.
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Modern torch made marble. Poor job with it.
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To many for me in one post. Marble sizes can also make a big difference. With this many they would have to be numbered.
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Furnace marble is at the top 12 o'clock in the picture numbered one. Translucent base or opaque yellow base with darker yellow and red swirl. One of the most common Champion Furnace marbles. Champion Furnace marbles.
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Every collector may have a different order of what is high on their own list. Some people #1 is Alley , some #1 is German handmades, some people may German handmades on the bottom, Some #1 is Ravenswoods. All makers or companies had some what might be high value and some low value. Rare all depends on what each collector is exposed to ?
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Learn, educate yourself before buying. Know what you are buying . Not what any seller tells you. Buy the marble not what a seller says or types. No one much wants to buy plain swamp land. But if it listed as rare alligator land for valuable hides and meat. It might sell great ?
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I like several of them. Depends on what is cool to each person.
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# 1 For sure no experiment. Incorrect base glass mix or incorrect cooking of the base glass. #2 common fracture, which hurts value big. #3 MCS
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Many marbles glow, old and new. Most times it does nothing or little to add any more to the value. Your group above is little or no value to marble collectors. I don't know of any price range on marbles that glow. Marble values are according to #1 is condition, how rare, size, how well known, maker or company, where it is sold. Marble prices go up and down as fast as the stock market swings. Any marble is only worth what someone will pay for it at the sale time. You group might be worth $5.00-$10.00 to a new or beginning collector.
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All Marble King.
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