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It looks like horsehair but not oxblood.
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The solar flares are one of the sought after marbles that can yet be found in a $1.00 box at marble shows. If you take the time to search through 500 or 2000 marbles in a box or plastic tub. Nola has found two the last year both for $1.00 or less each. One was found at the recent Canton OH show for $1.00. So they are out there to be found and cheap. But that will change as they become better known. Many collectors who only use the books and do not keep up weekly or at least monthly on the internet marble information, still have no idea what these are. I have three that a friend found for me in antique shops this last year. They are still out there waiting to be found. But it will get harder to find one. I think maybe a couple has been sold for in the $100.00-$150.00 range. I don't think any has reached $500.00 or $300.00 yet. Will that happen, I don't know ? I agree if you compare it to several other $300.00-$400.00 marbles, the Solar flare is as rare or maybe more rare. We will know in a few years as people find them. There are several very nice and rare Ravenswood marbles. This last year the price of many Ravenswoods has increased two and three times as what they were one or two years ago. How many of your stocks tripled in value the last twelve months ? 9
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A few times over the years cullet was hard to get and in low supply. Some marble companies at times made their own cullet, and then made it into marbles. Cullet and marbles were sold between companies. Some companies shared the same cullet has type and supply. Some cullet was left behind unused because after they received it, they found out that the coefficent was to far different than their normal glass. Which causes fractures. I don't think they bought cullet from each other to get a feel or see what another company was working with. In the 1930's most companies were making all their own glass from raw batch. In the 1940's most had to switch to buying and using cullet for marbles. Buying used glass scrap was cheaper than making their own glass from raw ingredients. Cullet found at a site not used which does not match their production is usually big question marks. It can be a mystery for years and sometimes it brings about answers. About half of the US marble factory sites had only cullet and marbles that match something that factory site produced. It is always the majority. Then probe, search and try to find out why something is out of place. Akro, Peltier, CAC, Vitro, Ravenswood and Alley at Pennsboro site, were 95-98% of what was found there matched up with something they made. The Heaton site had at least six different companies marbles found there. Plus I found two slags there and two others were found. It is strange when you find marbles at a company site that are older than that company. I found a 1 1/2 inch German white latticino three feet deep at Vitro. Within two feet outside of the production floor building. I found two pieces of CAC cullet at Sistersville and half of a CAC swirl there. St.Marys WV Alley site contained lots of Alleys, Marble King and Peltier marbles. It even had rolls and rolls of Peltier plastic bags to be packaged. But all three companies had a interest or ties at some time with this same site. Each site has different reasons why some cullet and different marbles are found there. Just as each company had different reasons that they discarded or dumped mint ready to sell or ship marbles at or near the site. Still several mysteries and questions to be answered with marbles. But each year more and sometimes better information comes to us.
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Very generic WV swirls.
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Three slags and one swirl.
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Not many have been sold, so the value is wide and still much unknown as to price. There is a good range of sizes which may affect prices. They go from like your a little over 1/2 inch to 11/16 inch. Maybe a 3/4 will turn up someday. I got one as a gift at the recent Canton OH show. It is still a different one than what I have seen or know of. It has more of a gray or gray blue base showing and very little or no brown.
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No Exotic Conqueror. There are about four or five different patch color combinations for Exotic Conquerors. The colored patch has nice bright white color around it like the wedding cake white, Exotic Conqueror below.
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Is this a Jabo or a Wire Pull/Veilliglass (sp)Thoughts?
wvrons replied to Madcap Laughs's topic in Marble I.D.'s
I think the original is a Jabo. Veiligglas marbles are not hard to find. The opaque ones are harder to find and more costly that the transparent ones. Nola bought all of mine and another couple hundred this last year. She just bought some more at the recent Canton OH show. They were called German wirepulls for many years. Until Winnie proved that old thought wrong. -
From L.E. Alley father of WV swirls book. In 1931 NGBD list L.E. Alley as owner of Lawrence Glass Novelty Company Sistersville WV. Product line is marbles. Employed 50 men and women in 1931. American Machine made marbles page 37 says, Apparently some legal problems developed while in Sistersville and Berry Pink left the company. Paul Simon Essof of Sistersville stated that Pink left as a result of a dispute over a marble packaging machine. From L.E. Alley father of West Virginia swirls book. In April 1931 The Lawrence Glass Novelty was incorporated. In late 1931 or early 1932 Lawrence Alley had left Sistersville to start a marble factory in Pennsboro WV. In 1932 the company Lawrence Alley Glass is listed as incorporated with Bery Pink as Treasure and purchasing agent.. There were legal problems and Alley sold out.to possibly Morris Rosenthal. There was a law suit. The case was Berry Pink plaintiff, against Morris Rosenthal and the Rosenthal Company of New York. Date is 15 January 1934. The case went to the Supreme Court of the State of New York. The court at the defendants request refused to dismiss the case on 21 April 1934. I do not have a document for the outcome of this case. Berry Pink had been employed by The Rosenthal Company previously in 1922. In 1931 Berry Pink suggested to Rosenthal that he acquire the Lawrence Glass Novelty Company. With whom he had been doing business with for some time. The terms gave Berry Pink a monthly salary of $500.00 and 50% of the net profit from the marble sales. That was fulfilled, the income of Pink each year from 1931 through 1933 was $11,500.00. The major dispute was over 50% of the issued capital stock of Lawrence Glass Novelty that Pink claimed he was suppose to receive. Somehow Berry Pink became head of the company after Alley left. In December 1934 Pink who was called head of the company was tried in Tyler County WV and found innocent of stealing two marbles packaging machines from the Lawrence Glass Novelty plant. Berry Pink who is called head of the company, was found innocent of stealing two marble packaging machines from the company. Berry Pink worked with and sold marbles earlier than being at Lawrence Glass Novelty in 1931. 1934 Berry Pink was affiliated with Peltier Glass, selling their marbles, in Marble King packages. Long before there was a company named Marble King. Which later Berry Pink was one of the owners. It was a rough road with Rosenthal and Pink in business. Rosenthal sued Berry Pink in January 1934 . All the way to the NY Supreme Court. Rosenthal had Berry Pink tried for theft in December of 1934, and he was found innocent. No surprise that Alley left them at Sistersville and moved on. What legal problems happened that Alley sold out to Rosenthal or Berry Pink ? I don't have the answer to that. Maybe Alley just seen the legal problems coming soon ? I was wrong Berry Pink was employed by Rosenthal. Pink did exagerate his achievements as well as changing his age. He was also involved in illegal cock fighting in WV. Nothing yet in any of this has convinced me that Alley ever produced patch style marbles at Sistersville WV . I have maybe 300 patch marbles dug at the Sistersville site and every one of those can be matched with Akro patch marbles. I am convinced that there are marbles and cullet at the Sistersville site that were made by other companies other than Alley.
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Berry Pink and Rosenthal and Alley were partners at Sistersville WV. Alley never ever produced a patch type or style marble. Different marbles other than Alley swirls were found at the Sistersville site. One main reason is Rosenthal was a jobber and bought marbles from who ever was the cheapest and had them. At Sisterville WV, L.E. Alley made the marbles, Berry Pink had the patent on the bags and many of the packages. Rosenthal was the jobber filling the packages. All three worked together ok at Sistersville, until Rosenthal sued Berry Pink for stealing a packaging machine. Then Alley left the site as usual, as he had always done in the past when things got heated. Berry Pink won the suit in court, but of course left Rosenthal. Rosenthal remained at the Sistersville location for a few years after Alley and Berry Pink were gone. So Akro and other companies marbles were found at the Sistersville WV marble site where Alley produced marbles. Because Rosenthal a jobber was there many more years than Alley was. Plus Alley had good ties with Akro and probably bought Akro cullet to make his marbles with. We know Rosenthal packaged many different companies marbles. Akro, Vitro, Peltier, probably Alleys in Marble King bags for Marble King Berry Pink. I don't think Berry Pink was a employee of Rosenthal.
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Akro made pee wee marbles. Patch marbles, corkscrew type and others. But like most companies that produced pee wee marbles, they did not do it on a regular basis like the majority of their production. Not many companies sold pee wee marbles routinely in bulk. Most pee wee marbles were probably a special order. How many uses or needs were there for pee wee size, compared to the other sizes ? Most or all the larger marble companies produced pee wee marbles. Even Vitro which most people do not realize because we never see them. That is because all the Vitro pee wee production was clear or single color transparent pee wee 7/16 and less marbles. Jabo had the original Vitro pee wee machine and Dave made two runs on it at Jabo in late 2011 or 2012. MK made lots of pee wee marbles. Peltier made pee wee marbles. Ravenswood and Alley made pee wee marbles. Pee wee size marbles were a extra income but not the normal weekly or even monthly production. As for the pee wee in the Akro Popeye box sets. I think Mike Johnson interviewed a woman who packaged the Akro Popeye box sets. She said that every Popeye box set had a pee wee marble included in with the bag. I have asked Roger Hardy about the pee wee in each Popeye box set and he said yes each box had one pee wee in it. Each Popeye box set in his collection has a pee wee in with the bag. His wife Claudia said the pee wee in the Popeye box set is called Swee Pea for Popeye and Olive Oils baby. All the pee wee marbles that I have seen in the Popeye box sets were all Akro patch type marbles. I wanted to talk with the woman who packaged the Popeye box sets. but she had passed away. I doubt that Akro made the pee wee patch marbles just for the Popeye box sets. It was probably more like we have extras of those tiny marbles. Why don't we include one in each Popeye box. The kids will like that little marble. Then it was a routine. Akro may have run the pee wee machine once, twice or three times a year ? Maybe at the end of a run or order they wanted to empty the furnace and move in the pee wee machine to use the rest of that particular glass. Most times at Jabo the pee wee marbles were made as a extra, not planned, not standard steady production. Different people have posted pictures here and AAM of pee wee corkscrews. I think any pee wees were produced in very short numbers compared to regular production. A Akro Swee Pea 1/2 inch pee wee marble and a Vitro 3/4 inch Sweet Pea marble are two totally different marbles. Many different marbles have the same or similar names now. Such has Superman, Liberty and many others. Are all Akro pee wee marbles called Swee Pea, not for me. A corkscrew pee wee would not be a Swee Pea to me. A Akro Swee Pea for me and I think of a Akro pee wee patch. The always safe and sure, to use is Akro pee wee marble. If you want to add patch or whatever type, ok . If you want to add a Swee Pea name, ok. It is a big help if you know any named marbles, name background. But that list is so long now that no human can learn them all or the names background, why, by who, when ?
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Lighting Strikes are old hand made.
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Killer Alley.
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These are Ohio marbles.
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Lighting strike.
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Bezoar is a mass or tightly packed collection of partially digested material trapped in the gastrointestinal tract .
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D.A.S. if 3/4 inch they were made on the new machine that Dave had built in 2013-2014. If they are 5/8 inch then they were made on a old Vitro machine bought from Jabo.
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Moonie should be white and when backlit with normal light it should have a orange glow.
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Look Asian to me.
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For sure not Vitro or Akro.