sissydear Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 My southernness is showing. Maybe those who don't live in the south don't understand "mealy mouthing". It's kind of like "beating around the bush". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Alleynut Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Thanks Scott, for the info, Im just a color junkie,no marbles were present that day, so I had to make do with some large beads that I know absolute zero about, I thought they would do in a pinch, for some color anyway,the offer is still open for the Brick Lutz Flame, Its a sweet one!! dave b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Alleynut Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I love the marble !! is this close ? Please only missing the hole . Mike I'd say its not a bead, but its close enough for the Bisquits & Gravy for me, The Marble is yours!! PM your Address, Dave B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1313 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 MIKE, did you get that millifiori from me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1313 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 i have found some rare marbles at bead shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopacki Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 a few more . all done now time to get the foot up . Mike Don't know if you sell these or not if so I have an interest. All my best ............ Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Hey, someone got a killer deal on a pennant mounted marble!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 I'd say its not a bead, but its close enough for the Bisquits & Gravy for me, The Marble is yours!! PM your Address, Dave B. Give him the prize; a bead is only a marble that has lost it's virginity. But what's this about Bisquits & Gravy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 So If anyone can clue me in to the age of these it would be great, the glass appears old, Im not a millifiori person, there is debris in the glass, one has a cobalt base, they are both 1 3/8th to colorful to pass up, Ive had them for a few years, the holes have a black residue in them,since I am unaware of how to do multipul downloads, I guess I'll have to do a few posts with different angles, DB. When I used to collect beads some 20-30 years ago, it was said glass beads with black residue in their perforation had been made in India, where the beads were formed around a bamboo mandrel. Beads made in the Orient had white residue from kaolin coated mandrels. The clay was used as a 'release' in order to easily remove the bead from it's mandrel. Have no idea if that still applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Or if any of it is even true??? Bamboo burns at a little over 450F molten glass is probably over 2000F. Don't think a little stick of bamboo would do so well as a mandrel to roll glass on?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Or if any of it is even true??? Bamboo burns at a little over 450F molten glass is probably over 2000F. Don't think a little stick of bamboo would do so well as a mandrel to roll glass on?? Nice thing about beads, is that there is a tremendous amount written about them. No need to speculate. For example, a cursory search on the internet shows iron mandrels were(are) used in India: http://www.beadingtimes.com/culture0803.htm Iron will leave a black residue (as the oxide) in the perforation. The Chinese used bamboo mandrels, coated with clay,(which sometimes left a white residue). http://books.google.com/books?id=zXWBll-wEVEC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=bamboo+mandrel+beads&source=bl&ots=yCJCmXbrAR&sig=KF1biDPG8nPiAsy0hMHcbT6_VV4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GjkaUvfUKpHo9gT0ioGABg&ved=0CF0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=bamboo%20mandrel%20beads&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Alleynut Posted August 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 When I used to collect beads some 20-30 years ago, it was said glass beads with black residue in their perforation had been made in India, where the beads were formed around a bamboo mandrel. Beads made in the Orient had white residue from kaolin coated mandrels. The clay was used as a 'release' in order to easily remove the bead from it's mandrel. Have no idea if that still applies. I like that information best, In hand you would swear they have a little age, and the black residue makes sense, they are both full of it, I had no thoughts of them being antique or vintage, just somewhere older than the 80's Thanks Hansel, I feel much better,so where would we draw the line on Modern?? after 1970?? DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I like that information best, In hand you would swear they have a little age, and the black residue makes sense, they are both full of it, I had no thoughts of them being antique or vintage, just somewhere older than the 80's Thanks Hansel, I feel much better,so where would we draw the line on Modern?? after 1970?? DB. Don't know where bead collectors draw the line, or if they even have one. Actually what I had said earlier, about what I had heard some 20-30 years ago, is wrong. Beads with black residue in their perforation are indeed made in India, but the black staining is from iron in the mandrel oxidizing to iron oxide, not from burnt bamboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 At a flea market in Berkeley this weekend they had glass trade marble bead necklaces (solid colors transparent and translucent and milliflora beads like the marbles.The dealer had nothing but trade type beads. (. They and their reproductions now take up several different dealers stall at several flea markets in my area of the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmuehlba Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Well I receive my marbles in Mondays mail yes a great day for marble mail . a big thanks Dave here are a few pics and the pictures just do not do it justice so I did a search on the bay and a few of your with better pics again THANKS . Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmuehlba Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 well how about the links also and a few more of the marbles and in case there are others like me I did not know they were clay / polymer marbles they are . Mike http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marbles-Polymer-Clay-Snake-Venom-Lutz-Flame-by-Dave-Becker-/181176082390?nma=true&si=y8DUSbR7qLV21dZd%252BIwWMr%252BLYVo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marbles-Polymer-Clay-Lutz-Flame-by-Dave-Becker-Huge-1-inch-marble-/181176067148?nma=true&si=y8DUSbR7qLV21dZd%252BIwWMr%252BLYVo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmuehlba Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 and how they look at there new home . Big Chief clay marbles . thanks as a free marble gets 2 free marbles , sorry Scott yes I did sell the other a few years ago . here is what I got from Scott and the more I think about it they still be in a case never emptied after a show ?? any ways thanks to all . Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmuehlba Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Hey, someone got a killer deal on a pennant mounted marble!!!!! yes some of us get deals . Mike Hey, someone got a killer deal on a pennant mounted marble!!!!! Can not remember when I bought it from you but if I could figure out how to remove it I think the holder is silver ?? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Alleynut Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Looks like they have plenty of buddies to hang out with, DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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