Chad G. Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I have a few hand made examples, please post yours if you have them. 1 mica, 1 glazed clay and 1 banded agate. Most of these just came along w/ lots I bought a while back, the mica and a couple other's are extremely small, I've probably dropped them @ least 50 time's, thank goodness always on carpeting. Thanks, Chad G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berryb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 mostly handmade, a couple of 7 vane cages. I think the striped china is a hair over .5. Added some of my other pee wees for good measure. Thanks Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 "Nice pics Bruce", I know they where production oriented, maybe pumped out a lot of these, or not !! Have any ideas ?? Thanks for posting !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berryb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I always thought there were lotsa' peewee hand mades 'cause they didn't get used that much. A little small and light to use in a game so they seem to be relatively plentiful and in pretty good shape as well. Not really a scientific observation though. Thanks Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 I don't know about quantities. I'm pretty sure they've long been popular. The "peawee" name was around at least by the late 1800's. (Another name for them was "pony alley" at that time.) For what it's worth! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berryb Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 What were they for? Small, so a more difficult target? Kids with smaller hands? Were there games that used only peewees? I've often wondered. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 I think probably yes to kids with smaller hands. I don't have a feeling about target marbles. And I don't know about the boardgame situation in the 1800's. I know of "mosaic" games from the early 1900's, which was like an early lite-brite. I don't know if that game went back to the 1800's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 The only games I've seen them on is the small general Grant boards, both wooden & imitation I think I have some pics, hang on a sec. I'll look ( found them ) these are pics from an old Ebay sale, I've seen several small one's like this sell, the only one I've seen in person was a small solitaire game but the board wasn't wood. I can't for the life of me remember what it was made of, the box and everything was there, he wanted $300.00 for it so I shied away. Looking back I probably should have purchased it, some black in the ribbon core's and a few other thing's not real common to old hand mades, yes, every marble was a pee-wee looked as if they where possibly the orig. mibs, no fleas etc. I was tempted. Here's the pics. All German pee-wee, and look's like that's about as big as you can go on this board, I believe it sold for right around $175.oo this was several year's ago so just my best guess. It only came w/ 12 mobs not complete like the one I seen w/ 32., all ribbon core, these appear to be substitute's. Wish I had this board full of orig. very small but quite detailed. I love it !! I could only find one more, this one from Worth point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 Another antique pee-wee game board, wish I had seen it before it sold. Looking @ the paint and the way the wood grain goes I believe it's the same board I have listed above that sold on Ebay 3-4 years ago w/ some pee-wee's.. Look @ the chip second pic then look @ the last pic above w/ the tape measure, we have an exact match, tells me not that many this size floating around, think I'll just make one. Much cheaper and I already have the German pee-wee's to fill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chad G. Posted October 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2020 Hot pink in a hand made, another killer De Roberto, so what if it's a latticinio, still a good strike of color, nice pee-wee's "thanks man" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 No ruler showing, but trust me ... these are little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Ah ok, latticinio 0,485- benny 0,425.....Steph's are special and cute too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Il 6/10/2020 alle 03:48, Berryb ha detto: A cosa servivano? Piccolo, quindi un obiettivo più difficile? Bambini con mani più piccole? C'erano giochi che usavano solo peewee? Mi sono chiesto spesso. Bruce There were very here too, in the 70s ... but they weren't used precisely, .... too small for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I tend to believe these small marbles where made for the board in the first place. 99 % of these banded lutz mibs where made between 1880 and 1910,I do a general dating of my Germans by the pontils , i.e. a melted pigtail on one end and an unfinished pontil on the other end or both ends unfinished = ( 1880-1910 ), one faceted end and the other unfinished or melted = ( 1850-1880 ) not 100 % correct all the time but close. Between 1880 and 1910 many of the hand made where being produced for the "English game board mkt." , probably a link between the two somewhere?? " Which came first the chicken or the egg" I'm sure someone knows, I'm just going by the general production date of the marble and what the mkt. was @ the time. The "so called English gameboard marbles " where still being made in Germany but being made for the game boards. A general reduction in size and brighter colors also marked the change on top of the "unfinished pontils" like Steph's banded lutzes. These boards are so small you couldn't fit anything much bigger than a pee-wee on it, 5 x 6 inches is pretty small, 32, 5/8ths mibs wouldn't even fit on the board. The history of the solitaire board is extensive, I spent a couple hours researching. The way I understand the board was here way before the German pee-wees, pegs first then clays then finally glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 I found another board w/ original marbles intact, coreless swirls all .50 or smaller ( pee-wee ) on a small general grant board. These pee-wee marbles where made for the game. There are smaller Victorian era board's like the first few General Grant's I posted, an almost pocket size rendition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 21, 2020 Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 Yes, they were probably related to board games, which we didn't play in the yard or in the oratories etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 I'm almost positive they where produce exclusively for those game's. The extremely small .50 or less and rough unfinished pontils made them useless for almost anything else, no shooting this one, and if you did you could never get it to roll straight because of the rough pontils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 Gen. Grant played this game so much the board later adopted his name, General Grant board. The boards where around way before he was and still today they have his name. A most memorable epitaph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 14 ore fa, Chad G. ha detto: Sono quasi sicuro che producano esclusivamente per quei giochi. I piccolissimi .50 o meno ei pontili grezzi non finiti li rendevano inutili per quasi qualsiasi altra cosa, non sparare a questo, e se lo facessi non potresti mai farlo rotolare dritto a causa dei punti grezzi. Right opinion, interesting! And the Big ones, 1 and up, maybe played like this as shown in the 1948 image .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Beyond the rough pontils, the marbles of this type were not really round, but some had a rather "compressed" structure. Not so suitable for shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 I agree Roby !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Thanks for this valuable information Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Lotsa diggin, as I see you did also, I believe we could dig forever, glad I took the time to look, lots still to learn. At least I'm not doing this Anymore. Time to let the new stuff sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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