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[Chad G.]

How do you tell the difference between first of cane & end of cane   ...  

[Fire1981]

Coffee in the morning and cold beer at 5:00

[Fire1981]

So here we go. I’ve got a Joseph Coat that a carp wouldn’t eat. The next one is an Onion Skin I had Leroy totally open up. Joseph Coats have more internal colors in the cane. Onion Skins are like the skin of an onion with that little core in the center of it. 

[Fire1981]

Onion Skin 🔥

[Fire1981]

[ann]

1 hour ago, Chad G. said:

How do you tell the difference between first of cane & end of cane   ...  

The odds are it`s an end-of-cane when the colors stop short of the pontil.

First-off-canes usually include the whole pattern. The rod has a hot glob of glass gathered on it that the hot cane is stuck to. They`re marvered together, then the necking-down process starts on the cane. Every now and then you might be able to tell if it`s a first-off-cane by seeing that one pontil is slightly open - the end that would be closest to the rod. But you don`t see it often, in my experience.  End-of-canes aren`t common either.

[Chad G.]

3 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

2, 1/4"  onion w/ no guts, 90% of the onions I have only have a clear base. Some do have cores as well as an equal amount of Joseph the coats. Here's a couple pix of them 2.25 incher, one pic w/ a Maglite so you can see the internals, no guts, nothing but a ghost core.

J. Coat w/ a core

A pair of 1.25 Coats w/o out cores

[Da Roberto]

7 hours ago, ann said:

Strano. Certamente non prenderei in considerazione alcuni di quei marmi monocolore e bicolore di Joseph Coats. Questo getta l'intero paragrafo nella categoria "discutibile" per me

Agree

[ann]

10 hours ago, Chad G. said:

2, 1/4"  onion w/ no guts, 90% of the onions I have only have a clear base. Some do have cores as well as an equal amount of Joseph the coats. Here's a couple pix of them 2.25 incher, one pic w/ a Maglite so you can see the internals, no guts, nothing but a ghost core.

Interesting. I just went over my onionskins and Joseph Coats with a flashlight last night, and at least half of my onions only have a clear base as well; my JCs look like yours - not like onionskins. The OP still looks like an onionskin to me.

I guess some of us are just going to have to agree to disagree!

[Chad G.]

On 9/11/2022 at 10:19 PM, Fire1981 said:

There is an ID on this one right? 🔥

Do me a big favor Fire if you would and "backlight" your OP to see if it has an underlying "skin" or if light passes between the ribbons if you would. It will be the telling tale between a Coat or an Onionskin. Myself I can see light passing between the ribbons now in your OP & into the clear base glass indicating to me there is no "skin" thus I.D. as a Joseph Coat.  Onionskins all have underlying opaque skin usually of white or yellow covering the entire surface of the marble under the ribbons of color giving no internal view, that's where the "skin" part of the name is derived from.  You can see the underlying white skin in you polished mib from Mig and my busted up monster w/ the Maglite shinning into it, identifying these both as Onionskins.

Skins ::

 

 COATS ::

[ann]

3 hours ago, Chad G. said:

 COATS ::

This constructed of parallel single color threads that run from pontil to pontil and stay a fairly uniform width during their travel is what I was talking about in my earlier post, and what Chad G. clearly illustrates in his last three pictures . . . . this type of JC is not easily mistaken for an onionskin, IMO.

[Fire1981]

Here we go. The base glass is clear and the matrix is empty. There is “kinda” of 4 panels like you see on Onion Skins 🔥

[Chad G.]

46 minutes ago, Fire1981 said:

Here we go. The base glass is clear and the matrix is empty. There is “kinda” of 4 panels like you see on Onion Skins 🔥

"Thanks Fire" no underlying opaque "skin"  I can see between almost every colored band (ribbon) into the transparent clear base glass,  Joseph Coat IMHO

 

[Fire1981]

That works for me until someone thinks it’s an Akro Corkscrew 🔥

[ann]

 

Or an Akro flame.    

[Fire1981]

So get a load of this. My Buddy owes me an agate because my Vikings beat The Cheese. I checked my mail box and it has that Little White Box we all wait for. I open it and it has marbles in it and a note. I’m really confused at this point. I get the box and look at who sent this to me. It’s from a Newbie who had only posted once or twice. Here’s the kicker. 2 are Lefties. I have to say thank you. I did not expect to be getting Marble Mail 🔥

[Fire1981]

THANK YOU ART 🤪

[Fire1981]

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[Da Roberto]

The last two images of Chad show coats, the spaces are very wide in the examples of the last image

[ann]

Yes. And honestly these are the only type that I`m prepared to call Joseph Coats. I just can`t force myself to call the OP - skin or no skin - anything but an onionskin. For me, the ribbon structure is the key. 

I`m willing to be the odd-man-out ... on this one!    

[ann]

On 9/14/2022 at 3:29 PM, Chad G. said:

Skins ::

. . . with other colors arranged in haphazard lines or dots . . . to create a myriad of patterns and designs that the onionskins are known for. 

 COATS ::

. . . are constructed of parallel single color threads that run from pontil to pontil and stay a fairly uniform width during their travel . . .

 

This is what I mean in the above. Just my personal criteria.

[Da Roberto]

33 minuti fa, Ann ha detto:

. . . sono costruiti con fili paralleli monocolore che corrono da pontil a pontil e richiedono una larghezza abbastanza uniforme durante il loro viaggio. . .

 

Questo è ciò che intendo in quanto sopra. Solo i miei criteri personali.

Agree, just like that and leave an empty space between one thread and another that can be wide (as in Chad's last photo) or not

[Fire1981]

I’m saying Joseph’s Coat in hand 🔥

[Fire1981]

This is one is 1 and 1/2 inch Lefty. I believe it’s a Joseph’s Coat. I was noodling instead of bottom feeding and yanked this out of a 47 pound Blue Channel Cat 🔥

[Fire1981]