Veiligglas VS Hopf - information about Wirepulls

[Chad G.]

                                                                                 All Veiligglas, made in Amsterdam

 

                      

[Chad G.]

2 minutes ago, LevvyPoole said:

And finally, this beautiful little Robin.

This ones a cat eye IMO

[LevvyPoole]

45 minutes ago, Chad G. said:

This ones a cat eye IMO

Yeah, I only put that up as it was the centre Marble came with the solitaire board and I wanted to show everything as I received it 😀

[I'llhavethat1]

My contribution for comparison sake.  Of note: plastic round board instead of wooden.

As far as where the marbles were made?  Hard to say.  Much like swirls and catseyes were made in the USA by multiple companies, it's entirely possible there was more than one Euro manufacturer cranking out (somewhat generic) wirepulls as well.

[LevvyPoole]

14 hours ago, Chad G. said:

                                                                                 All Veiligglas made in Amsterdam

 

                      

With respect, and for the sake of this discussion- I'd challenge that the front 3 are what we know to be veiligglas and the other 4 might not be.

[LevvyPoole]

8 hours ago, I'llhavethat1 said:

My contribution for comparison sake.  Of note: plastic round board instead of wooden.

As far as where the marbles were made?  Hard to say.  Much like swirls and catseyes were made in the USA by multiple companies, it's entirely possible there was more than one Euro manufacturer cranking out (somewhat generic) wirepulls as well.

Thanks for this, interesting to see similar marbles coming with the bakelite (I think that's what it is) board. I wonder when this one was being produced and sold? Maybe it was the same time as the wooden one. 

I'm mainly pushing this angle because I think it could provide a useful lead, as H.P. Gibsons are still in existence as Gibsons Games and apparently still as a family run business.

I don't have the head-space to do it justice at the moment, but perhaps @shiroaiko or someone else interested in this topic, could contact them to see if they have retained any historical records about their suppliers?

[Chad G.]

4 hours ago, LevvyPoole said:

With respect, and for the sake of this discussion- I'd challenge that the front 3 are what we know to be veiligglas and the other 4 might not be.

They are all Veiligglas, I got them all from @Mojo in the Netherlands the three front ones just have an outstanding design, rarely you will come upon a Veli W 3 different colored ribbons in the matrix, I believe @Nantucketdink has a few examples.

[LevvyPoole]

5 hours ago, Chad G. said:

They are all Veiligglas, I got them all from @Mojo in the Netherlands the three front ones just have an outstanding design, rarely you will come upon a Veli W 3 different colored ribbons in the matrix, I believe @Nantucketdink has a few examples.

Fair enough, and I would never want to sound like I was accusing anyone on here of misleading others. As you can probably see from my profile, I've not been on here long, and am still early in learning this hobby. Looking through historical threads it's evident that there's quite a bit of confusion about this topic, and maybe quite a few folks are no longer comfortable attributing all European wirepulls to Veiligglas...and that's why this debate in on and I'm finding it fascinating and appreciate the contributions. 

[Chad G.]

7 minutes ago, LevvyPoole said:

Fair enough, and I would never want to sound like I was accusing anyone on here of misleading others. As you can probably see from my profile, I've not been on here long, and am still early in learning this hobby. Looking through historical threads it's evident that there's quite a bit of confusion about this topic, and maybe quite a few folks are no longer comfortable attributing all European wirepulls to Veiligglas...and that's why this debate in on and I'm finding it fascinating and appreciate the contributions. 

Yes, there has been a debate for some time, Amsterdam, Japan, etc. there was probably a myriad of companies producing very similar marbles. Packaging, yes the debate will go on until some more definitive paperwork (providence) comes along. More and more is being exposed all the time.

[Ric]

Here are some Veiligglas I got from Winnie (RIP) back in 2013.

 

[Ric]

More of the 13/16" marble at 2 o'clock in the group.

[Ric]

Here is the 3/4" marble at 4 o'clock in the group.

[Ric]

On 5/4/2025 at 3:41 AM, LevvyPoole said:

With respect, and for the sake of this discussion- I'd challenge that the front 3 are what we know to be veiligglas and the other 4 might not be.

@Chad G. I think the back four marbles look quite different than the front three too. And while we may never figure these Euro wire pulls out, I think it's a stretch to assume that just because the marbles came from the Netherlands that they were made there. I got a few poly-mesh bags from Mojo with wirepulls that look quite a bit like those back four and while they may be Veiligglas, I am not convinced that they are.

I wonder how confident @Mojo is about them being Veiligglas.

[Ric]

Here is the 13/16" marble from 6 o'clock in the group.

[Ric]

Here is the 13/16" marble from 8 o'clock in the group.

[Ric]

This one from 10 o'clock in the group is just shy of 3/16".

[Ric]

Here is the 13/16" marble from 12 o'clock in the group.

[Ric]

Finally, here is the 13/16" from the center of the group.

[LevvyPoole]

On 6/16/2025 at 9:24 PM, Ric said:

Finally, here is the 13/16" from the center of the group.

Seeing this beauty gave me the encouragement I needed to make an offer on a lot that has 4 of these opaques & 6/7 transparent wirepulls (and about 60 other marbles that I could do without). Will post pics when they arrive.