They are both Alleys as far as I can tell and it looks like the biggest difference between them is the amount of clear glass mixed into the base and how much black striping glass is applied to them. This is also how they differ from the more typical Pistachios IMO; the base and the striping on those is usually opaque. So while I think they may be part of the family, I do not think they are well developed examples of Pistachios. In addition, there are plenty of Alleys that are not Pistachios but do have that UV reactive base glass. I'd be interested to hear what @wvrons might say.
And FWIW, quite a few examples like your second one came out of the dirt at Pennsboro.