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I think mint is in the name - mint chocolate chip or something like that? I used to know this . . .

I think they are just later patch styles. AFAIK, they were treated with something to give them that unusual finish.

I agree the red one looks Pelty. I can't say much about the green one from these views - it's not ringing any bells for me.

Is there another seam on the blue one? The colors look more Vacor to me. Could it be an outlier that just happens to look more Pelty than the vast majority? Some of the Vacors can get scary close to looking like Pelts. To me, the other looks like a Red Zebra that got a little crazy.

"American Cornelian" was MFCs name for their Oxblood Bricks, I think. Here are a couple of HG Akros that are more like yours. I think the one on the left is closest to a Cornelian Brick and some people refer to the right one as a Mulberry Brick, I think Cornelian Brick, Mulberry Brick, etc. were digger's names for marbles that looked a lot like oxblood but weren't.

I agree with Master on the middle one - I need to slow down.

Akro is what I'm seeing too - a Royal, I think.

Well, at least they're my original ones. I'm a midwest guy and it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were some regional differences in when and what people called "muddies". You have to remember, the internet wasn't always a thing.

It's part of the fun and sometimes frustration of this hobby. We are all always learning. Things change over time as new information and examples become available. In some ways, you are lucky as a new collector. Most old collectors have not only had to add information over the years, they've had to forget or modify information they've known for years just to keep up. I do take some solace knowing that the new collectors who stick with it will probably wind up in the same boat though. lol

As I said, Dave, there was a day long ago when these were the only ones I knew as "muddies".

I mostly display just bags and boxes. But I do have several "keeper cases" on display or stashed away with some my favorites in them.

I've been using it so long I can usually open the right drawer on the first or second try. lol

Yes.

It may just be the old collectors who are confused. lol

When you see me say "I'll have to check the archives" this is usually where I'm headed . . . And I usually keep my cat's eyes separate from the others.

Looks like it to me.

No kidding, man, I'm about ready to give up . . . lol.

I'm pretty sure your marble is an example of why the term "muddy" has been expanded to near oblivion over the years.

Pretty sure I've seen these referred to as "Cornelian Bricks" too, not sure I agree with it but . . .

I was hoping for you!

These are the first 'muddies" I ever knew about 25 or so years ago.

Not too unusual, it sorta goes back to the discussion we've had in the past about poor examples, average examples and exceptional examples of any particular type of marble.

I am not sure who made these, but "9s" are associated with a variety of slag makers, including Akro - usually a sign of hand-gathered production. And a few different companies made machine made slags too so the lack of a nine would not automatically mean "Akro".

So a Ruby Bee then - just a weaker example compared to one that's loaded with AV.

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