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I'm guessing those industrial marbles are not original to the box, although they do fit very well. In the upper left corner of the label, it looks as if some lettering (numbering?) was obliterated. Here are pics of two similar, but different sized boxes. One has "25" in the upper left corner. The marbles in that box look as if they may have all come together. Some of the marbles in the box on the right look as if they don't belong, but that's the way I got them. Don't remember from where, but Pressman Bull's Eye Marbles boxes seem more common in the UK than here.

Not trying to make you weep, nor is it entirely my doing. Steph asked: "Anyone have any Navarres or Barbertons or other Leightons they're pretty sure about?"

I'd read about Fiedler being plant manager - not sure how reliable that information was - but it's not surprising, as Fiedler was a highly paid employee at Peltier and probably took glass production secrets with him to CAC. Still, that doesn't make him "head of the company". It's tempting to speculate that there was much more interaction between Gropper, Albright and CAC than we currently appreciate. Albright clays are found in Gropper's 'Favorite' boxes, along with CAC glass marbles. Public records of companies and their owners do not reveal manufacturing details nor product transactions. For example, we would never have known about Gropper's influence on marble production of the Peltier Glass Co. if all we had to go by was the 'public record'. When the history of the US toy marble industry is finally sorted out, I bet Albright and Gropper will be shown to have had a much greater influence than what we currently give them credit for.

Is the consensus these are Vitro?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-hand-made-LEIGHTON-TRANSITIONAL-53-64-marble-GROUND-PONTIL-/321386556714

"Did not notice any marbles in the Albright box that could not be attributed to CAC but I do see many that I would have to say could not have been made any where else IMO." Can you explain why there is no mention of CAC on that Albright box? ".....glass chemist Arnold Fiedler, who later became the head of the company....." Is this true? Wonder where Marble Alan got that from?

Nice! Interesting that "Manufactured by M.Gropper and Sons...." was blacked out.

Could be, but eBay lists many large spheres, probably made in China. for example, http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4-Red-GOLDSTONE-SAND-CRYSTAL-SPHERE-BALL-Flash-stand-60mm-/281316055482

Winnie, you probably shouldn't read too much into this subject. I'm just messing with Galen's duct-taped head. Post #432 first shows a partially filled box containing a few of what most collectors recognize as a Christensen Agate bloodie mixed in with that transparent orange swirl (a fairly special marble to CAC collectors). The next box is filled completely with those transparent orange swirls, but is factory labeled "World's Best Bloodies". You can call those marbles anything you want, but for probably no more than a brief time, the Christensen Agate Company may have called those transparent orange swirls, bloodies.

Where is this "public record"? All the information in AMMM about CAC is either unreferenced or attributed to hearsay via Dennis Webb. (Other than patent #s for Jenkin's marble machines registered before and after Jenkins was at CAC.) Baumann's book is no better. AMMM does mention that Gropper claimed to be "sole distributor(sic)" of CAC marbles, but simply dismisses that claim because Albright packaged and sold CAC marbles. I don't think Gropper was necessarily part of the ownership, just as they probably convinced Peltier Glass to start making marbles without owning part of the Peltier Glass Co., but they must have cut some kind of a deal with CAC to be able to make the claim of "sole distributer". Some of the marbles found in that Albright "professional" box of 'slags' are not found in any CAC or Gropper box.

What's the difference between goldstone and lutz?

If Gropper was the "sole distributer" of CA marbles, I wonder if Gropper had anything to do with starting up CAC? Alternatively, could Gropper have left Peltier because CAC gave them a better deal? And were the Albright glass marbles made by CAC? If so, how could that be, as Gropper was the "sole distributer" of CA marbles. Christensen Agate 00 marbles are a different size from Albright 00 marbles. Was there a second glass marble factory in Cambridge?

OK, now that you have a fresh roll of duct tape, Here's a 00 CA "slag" box. (Nothing real special, other than I bought it from Bud Braunlich, after he pointed out to me it still retained its row of yellow 'slags' - many of these boxes had had their yellow 'slags' replaced and sold separately, since at the time they alone were worth as much as the rest of the box.) Note Gropper was the "sole distributer" of CA marbles. But then you see an Albright box, also 00, Also made in Cambridge, Ohio. Funny thing, the Albright marbles are bigger than the Gropper marbles. Albright box is 6 1/4" square vs. 5 3/4" for the Gropper, and the marbles are, in general, 15mm vs 14 mm diameter.

Time to mess with Galen's head a little bit. I bought this before most knew about CA Bloodies, and no-one had yet described that electric orange marble. So maybe those non-bloodies somehow accidentally found their way into a bloodies box. Then a couple years later, this shows up: What do you think, Galen? (other than there's too much light reflection in the pics)

The liner on the sides looks like added cardboard for support. But why do you find it strange that these marbles are in a National Toy Marbles box?

Thanks Steph!

Was this the first "Marble Man"? <a href="http://s939.photobucket.com/user/hdesousa/media/Peltier%20boxes/100NationalOnyxno0emptybox007_zps189b37e7.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad238/hdesousa/Peltier%20boxes/100NationalOnyxno0emptybox007_zps189b37e7.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 100NationalOnyxno0emptybox007_zps189b37e7.jpg"/></a> The label says the marbles were one cent each, sold by The Marble Man, Harry (or Larry or Barry) F, Unley, of perhaps Edgewater Park, NJ. I can't find anything online about this "Marble Man". Anyone have any more information? Mig, any mention in the Peltier Chronicles of a shipment of onyx marbles to Mr. Unley in Edgewater Park, NJ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Two-Vintage-Speckled-Marbles-/151274353703?pt=UK_Toys_Creative_Educational_RL&hash=item2338a77427

Sunlight on glass marbles can burn your house down. Sunlight also fades original packaging and advertizing.

Would it be fair to say these are really Peltier marble boxes? Just as we call some Gropper boxes Peltier? Did Berry Pink Inc. have their marbles packed at the Peltier factory, much like Gropper did? From: http://www.marblekingusa.com/History.html The King is Crowned... Berry Pink and Sellers Peltier founded Marble King in 1949. Pink was a successful businessman and loved to interact with children. The marbles sold under the Marble King header in the 30's and early 40's were actually manufactured by Peltier Glass. By the late 1940's, Pink was selling more marbles than Peltier could produce. They joined forces and formed another manufacturing facility in which Pink held the majority of shares. Berry Pink traveled throughout the country hosting marble tournaments and giving away several marbles at each stop. He became known as "The Marble King". That's how the company got its name when it was founded in December 1949.

Winnie, perhaps you're headed for another one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave when the the European death toll was 70,000.