LevvyPoole

They remind me of my 3 

6 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

Do they UV Pop🔥

RAR

I was gonna ask that 😀

5 hours ago, Chad G. said:

They are all Veiligglas, I got them all from @Mojo in the Netherlands the three front ones just have an outstanding design, rarely you will come upon a Veli W 3 different colored ribbons in the matrix, I believe @Nantucketdink has a few examples.

Fair enough, and I would never want to sound like I was accusing anyone on here of misleading others. As you can probably see from my profile, I've not been on here long, and am still early in learning this hobby. Looking through historical threads it's evident that there's quite a bit of confusion about this topic, and maybe quite a few folks are no longer comfortable attributing all European wirepulls to Veiligglas...and that's why this debate in on and I'm finding it fascinating and appreciate the contributions. 

8 hours ago, I'llhavethat1 said:

My contribution for comparison sake.  Of note: plastic round board instead of wooden.

As far as where the marbles were made?  Hard to say.  Much like swirls and catseyes were made in the USA by multiple companies, it's entirely possible there was more than one Euro manufacturer cranking out (somewhat generic) wirepulls as well.

Thanks for this, interesting to see similar marbles coming with the bakelite (I think that's what it is) board. I wonder when this one was being produced and sold? Maybe it was the same time as the wooden one. 

I'm mainly pushing this angle because I think it could provide a useful lead, as H.P. Gibsons are still in existence as Gibsons Games and apparently still as a family run business.

I don't have the head-space to do it justice at the moment, but perhaps @shiroaiko or someone else interested in this topic, could contact them to see if they have retained any historical records about their suppliers?

14 hours ago, Chad G. said:

                                                                                 All Veiligglas made in Amsterdam

 

                      

With respect, and for the sake of this discussion- I'd challenge that the front 3 are what we know to be veiligglas and the other 4 might not be.

45 minutes ago, Chad G. said:

This ones a cat eye IMO

Yeah, I only put that up as it was the centre Marble came with the solitaire board and I wanted to show everything as I received it 😀

On 5/2/2025 at 1:30 AM, I'llhavethat1 said:

Anyhow, I dug mine out for a photo op if it helps the discussion.

Examples of interest:

-a tinted blue base with yellow ribbons

-what appears to be a green+blue+white combo

Hard to get to the glass detail thru the rough texture of the mesh, any pointers? (Other than opening)

Would you head over to this thread and let me know your thoughts on whether these bagged ones match up with the load that I've just posted in detail? I think that could be helpful somehow in this debate. Cheers! 

And finally, this beautiful little Robin.

Yellows...

Even more oranges...

More oranges...

Oranges...

More greens...

Greens...

Whites...

Blues...

Ok, as promised - this is the board and marbles that I purchased last week. 

More detailed pictures will be uploaded now. I've grouped colours, then taken a random assortment of pictures of some from each group to show various features.

4 hours ago, marblemanvintagemarbles said:

It's definitely hard to see jabo on this one. But these guys are usually correct 

I think you misunderstood me. It was the structure of the swirl in pic 4, that stood out to me. I wasn't disagreeing, I was just appreciating that there may be a link between this one being a Jabo, and the similarity with a DAS that I own, and that made me think this trait may have been carried over by Dave McCulloch.

9 hours ago, stonehenge4242 said:

Ill guess JABO

That's useful to know, as I looked at the pictures and saw a feature that made me think of a DAS that I have, but in very different colours.

@TheVacorFan just stumbled across this old thread on AAM. You might be interested to read through if you've not seen it before. https://www.allaboutmarbles.com/viewtopic.php?t=22893#p182029

6 hours ago, TheVacorFan said:

Only £10.60? Very nice score! So, you think they were made by Hopf but how do you distinguish them from Veiligglas?

And when this arrives, I'll make sure the marbles supplied stay with it, to try to eliminate further confusion...

I'm sure that I've seen quite a lot of individual marbles for sale on Ebay labelled as Veiligglas, with close ups showing the sparkly bubbles, that we are beginning to realise might mean something else.

I just want to add - anyone else with thoughts and opinions on this, please chime in. I am just putting mine out there for discussion. 

I do possibly think the production timings may align better for the Gibson solitaire board marbles being Hopf. I haven't spotted a definitive year of production for them, but from other info I think I remember it was stated they are from the 60s. If Veiligglas stopped making marbles in 61 and it was early to middle production years for Hopf, does this make more sense?

Probably the left and right yellows, the green and the blue could be confirmed as Veiligglas? I'm mainly assuming this by the way the lines are arranged. 

These are mine if this size that I am currently not attributing to Hopf.

To be honest, I've never been sure that those maroon ones are Veiligglas, the grey one may be a WVS, the blue one might not be filled enough so that would actually just leave the green one...

In larger sizes I have a few more which I do think are Veiligglas. 

2 hours ago, TheVacorFan said:

Only £10.60? Very nice score! So, you think they were made by Hopf but how do you distinguish them from Veiligglas?

I was having the most difficulty separating the ones with blue and white lines. I had thought that the Hopf ones had a gap between and less crisp edges to these lines. On closer inspection of the photos on the other thread, I now think that all my blue and white ones may be Hopf.

When sorting through all the different colours, I had started to notice @Ric description of the bubbles along the coloured lines. From here I started to spot the other similarities, and my "current" summary would be very clear base glass, more potential to be OOR and have very slight cold roll features. Also the presence of grains of something that can be seen, as mentioned on the other thread - I have one or two good examples of this. 

I'd also suggest that mine have low evidence of impact damage (maybe due to being solitaire marbles I suppose) and I don't think I've found any blow out holes yet.

1 hour ago, shiroaiko said:

This morning I decided to open the mesh bag for taking pictures. 

According to cvdv (Cees), this type of bags is from around 1965, but we don't know from when to when these bags were in use for Hopf packaging. 

The paper header was stapled through 3 parts. I think I did a good job removing staple pins. The mesh felt brittle. I dealt with a care. 

"Hello, marbles! At last I see your faces clearly!😃" 

The diameters range from 18.5 to 21 mm. Most of them are spherical, but a few exceptions. 

Below are close-ups. 

Because of the white background, the white in the ribbons becomes hard to see.

The light also comes thru the ribbons. 

Because of these factors, the marbles might look a little different from how they actually appear. 🙏

We see some tiny fractures along the yellow ribbon. 

Below are Hopf wirepulls on a darker background. 

I see small bubbles along the ribbon only on the blue one. 

This group photo shows more of what my eyes actually see than close-ups. 🫧

This is really useful. I'd say it disproves the tip of looking for the big bubble to distinguish Veiligglas, as we can clearly see it present in these. I tried sorting according to the presence of a big bubble yesterday but found it wasn't helpful for dividing the 2 potential types because of other more significant seeming variables.