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Left one either Jabo or Champion. Right one glass or mineral ???? Cannot tell a lot from the pictures.

All Alley. Made in St. Marys WV from 1939 to about 1949. Maybe most of the type or style marbles Alley made are well known. But no one knows all the color combinations he made.

Or one of many WV swirls. Cannot be sure of much with this picture and especially only one far away.

No way I can id this with these pictures.

Alley Agate swirl.

The second Alley that I ever named many years ago. After many years of request. Blue Lady was the third. It was my x wifes favorite Alley marble. Longer story for all the first three that I named. Many times today, I wish that I had never ever attached a name to any marble.

What are your or any marble book traits or requirements when identifying, buying, teaching, etc. for a Vitro helmet marble. ? I listed above the traits that I have been taught, learned and consider for a Vitro helmet. Named marbles have certain traits or requirements to identify them. They have to meet those requirements to be such. A Peltier Superman is not a patch style marble or green and brown colors. It requires certain things to be Peltier and certain things to be a Suoerman. That is traits. I give up. I will look, ask and research for a Vitro Conqueror Helmet If I find one, I sure will buy it. If I can afford it. It would probably be to rare for my checking account.

I have never heard of any certain size requirement for any color in a cat eye or any other marble. Any color in a cat eye can be larger with larger holes in the crucible or what ever is used to add the colors near the center of the marble. Maybe Peltier had larger holes in the crucible? Earlier machine made marbles usually always had more and better colors. Maybe Peltier produced the first cross through cat eyes ? Cat eye marbles were not mass produced until maybe the late 1940's. When were the Peltier cross through's in prooduction ? I think we could cut a Peltier cross through and a MK cross through and measure the color thickness on 100 of each and I do not think there would be very little difference.

Yes your marbles are Cat Eye style, design, type. Cat eye ribbons colors or vanes do not all have to float or be in the center. Many ribbons vanes or colors are only on the surface or come to the surface. Some are twisted and inside. Cat eye is construction as to how the marble was made or produced. This is used in making 6 vane cat eyes. This is not needed or used in making swirl type, style, design marbles. Colors separation is important for cat eye marbles encased all around the colors with clear or transparent glass. Swirl colors are random and go around, in or out, twist in any direction. Color separation is not controlled much with swirls. The two, cat eye or swirl are made totally different. Cat eye marbles have the color flowing or pushed through a crucible, nozzel or something to keep it separate from the base glass until the colors flow into the center or near the center of the glass stream as it exits the furnace.

I agree both MK and Peltier made cross through design marbles. Both very similar construction, some very similar color combinations. But MK are always Cross Through Cat Eye and Peltier are always Cross Through. Because the name cat eye attached to Peltier will lower the value. What is the lower or lowest value Pelt marbles, banana cat eye or game marbles. Collectors have been conditioned to think that a cross through is more valuable than a cat eye. For many years and still a lot this way, collectors were taught to put cat eye marbles near the bottom of the list. Some of that has changed the last ten years. People actually now hunt for cat eye marbles. The name cat eye is not so low any longer. So maybe now we can also call the Peltier Cross Through Cat Eyes. Not many collectors any place the last 25 years wanted to label Peltier Cross Through as a cat eye. For me always a cross through of any maker needed to have the colors cross through each other near the center of the marble towards the outside edge. Some colors made it to the outside edge and some did not. But the colors always crossed though the center of each other. Making an x or an +, a Cross = cross through.

The vast majority of MK cross through cat eyes the vanes or ribbons are cut at the surface or touch the surface. Vitro Eight finger cat eye marbles the ribbons all touch or near the surface, Fifty percent of Vitro Cage Cat Eye vanes of ribbons touch the surface. All swirl, style, type, design, marbles the color or colors twist or swirl. Many cat ribbons or vanes ends are at the surface.

What is the difference in design or construction with Pelter Cross Throughs and MK Cross Through Cat Eye's ?? Why are Cross Through MK cat eyes and Cross Through Peltier are just cross throughs ?

The original question was . Are these marbles cat eye's or banded swirls ? I am curious as to the answer. Yes MK and Asia made cross through cat eyes. Why will no one discuss Peltier cat eyes other than banana cats. Did Peltier make a cross through cat eye ? Did Peltier make any cat eye style, type marbles other than banana cat eyes ?

Some glow and some do not glow.

I agree with Fire on the second one. A type of Vacor Mexico marble. The first one is a transparent blue frosted type marble. Also a good chance of Vacor Mexico . A few other companies also made transparent colored frosted marbles. There is no accurate way to identify most of them accurately by makers. They look the same. Marbles in a fish tank or salt water can end up looking frosted.

Who said anything about Banana Cat Eye's . Nope it is not a cat eye or nope it is not a banded swirl ?

What is a Conqueror type helmet ????????? A Vitro helmet is a Vitro helmet, which has nothing to do with a Conqueror. There is no tiger eye type helmet , or opal helmet, or bulls eye helmet etc. It is a Vitro helmet pattern or not ? Most Conquerors do not look like a football helmet pattern. The colors on most Conquerors are very thin, it would be a very thin helmet.

The original question. Are they cat eye"s or banded swirls ?

Nothing at all like a Vitro Helmet. Most helmets have a white base with a colored transparent face. The stripe runs in the center of the white helmet from front to back. It looks like a football helmet. A white helmet with a colored stripe in the center front to back, plus the face or face opening. Yes some can be green, red, black, blue face or peach flesh colored face. The colored stripe on a helmet does not meet any other colored ribbon or stripe. One ribbon on a helmet. White patch for the helmet and a colored ribbon or stripe in the center of the helmet. The transparent base is the opening or face area of the helmet. Blue will never meet blue on any helmet. There is no other blue to meet on a helmet. The colored single stripe or ribbon on any helmet is the only place on that entire marble which will have that color. About 85% or 95% of all helmet pattern marbles will have three colors. There are a few very Rare two color Vitro Helmets. There are some two color Akro helmet pattern patch marbles.

All Red has no dark color around the middle. Black Line All Red has a dark ribbon around the middle. The Black Line All Red is the original oldest All Red. Later it was cheaper and more simple to just drop the black line around the middle. Black Line All Red = oldest All Red. A white base with a dark ribbon around the middle, one red patch on one pole and a patch of a different color on the opposite pole. Four colors. All Red = no dark color around the middle . A white base with one red patch on one pole and a patch of a different color on the opposite pole. Three colors. Black Line All Red = FOUR colors. One patch has to be red and the ribbon around the middle is dark. The second patch can be any color other than red or dark like black. All Red = THREE colors. One patch has to be red and the other patch can be any other color than red.

Flip flop is two or more striping colors meet at the seams at do not match up. Normal red meets red at the cut line and blue meets blue at the cut line. Flip flop is when red meets blue at the cut line and blue meets red at the cut line. The striping colors FLIP FLOP at the cut lines.

Are they cat eye's or banded swirls ?

I answered you on AAM. These marbles which glow will not register anything on a Geiger counter. They do not give off any radiation. They will not harm you while solid. If you melt them and breath the fumes, they can cause problems. You cannot date marbles by if the glow or not. Machine made marbles made last month can glow. Old or new marbles can and do glow. Vitro used more non glowing marbles in the jewel trays than they did marbles that glow. Common game marbles.

It might be MK. I have not seen any newer 3/4 Marble Kings.

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