Hey Marble King People, Why Isn't This Just A Wasp?

[marbleseeker]

Looking at past auctions featuring marble king marbles and I came across this. He calls it a "Black Widow".

Looks like a weak wasp to me. What am I missing?

Click here to see auction

[Steph]

Not the Black Widow I learned about which the Marble Queen Jill Spencer found in the 1964-era Paden City dumpsite she owned.

Not sure what this one would be called. Is it a Transparent Wasp?

That seller was mentioned recently as possibly being someone who problems under different ID's.

[marbleseeker]

Thanks Steph, do you know what a "black widow" would be?

The spiders are black and red. But that is just a wasp and those are fairly common.

[Steph]

Black Widow as pictured by Jill Spencer, circa 1964

Should have another red stripe on the other side. (Pretty sure about that. The marble I have which I was told was "Black Widow" does.)

[clydetul62]

Mk Black widow that I know is acually a patch type where there is a red patch at the pole and the rest is black.

[Steph]

So then just a single red patch?

I thought I heard people say that when I first heard of Black Widows, but then I heard it had two patches. So ???

I'm trying to remember where I got my two-patch marble which was called a Black Widow. I can't remember if it came from Jill Spencer or not. I think it did. But I can't remember for sure.

[Poplarhead]

When I first started collecting in 1990s , the "wasp" was also called a "Black Widow".. The terms were both used for same marble.

Don

[sissydear]

My experience with Black Widow and Wasp is the same as Don's. I thought it might be a "regional difference".

[duffy]

for ever there was the wasp and the black widow....the vintage black widow had the two swatches of color...the ones with one we called wannabe black widows...maybe be regional up here the....... wasp and b.w. were two different marbles....

[I'llhavethat1]

Surprised nobody's commented on the pics from the auction in OP? Is that green? or transparency from being backlit (and would it make any difference whether it is a wasp or black widow?)

I'm Marble King illiterate

[duffy]

that marble looks like a newer one to me...because of the ribbon construction....ive never really seen one...

[mmuehlba]

Is the black widdow a solid black marble with a red patch or ribbons or like the others still a white marble with red and black on top of a white base ? Mike

[duffy]

not a black widow mike...that might be a double ingot...the true patch and ribbon is on a white base