Steph Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Of course I know about 1" Alleys.But what other WV companies had swirls in the 3/4" range or larger ... and do you have any examples to share?This question inspired by John's marble in the ID forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 The difference between .7 and .75 opens up so many more possibilities. Champion and Vitro Anacortes have a few 3/4" marbles but JABO and D.A.S. have a lot of shooter sized marbles out there in the world. I don't find WV swirl shooters made by other American companies beyond Alley and those mentionned. I know they are out there, but I never find them (that I can think of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHSLAYERMARRBLEGRIFF Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Just on a tech. note,,Jabo is an Ohio marble factory,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 I assumed we were talking about American swirls. Were we really talking about West Virginia factories only? When I hear WV swirl (which she didn't actually say but I assumed she meant), I have always assumed it meant a swirl type marble that was unattributable to the person talking about it basically, but could have been made anywhere in the world. What does West Virginia swirl mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Here are the marbles I'm usually talking about when I say WV swirl: Alley Agate Cairo Novelty Co. Champion Agate Davis Marble Co. Heaton Agate Co. Jackson Marble Co. Playrite Marble and Novelty Co. Ravenswood Glass and Novelty Co. Marble King and Mid-Atlantic could be added. And Alox complicates matters. I should also have suggested that Akro could possibly be added. I'd guess Akro made more swirls than Marble King did. Edited October 12, 2015 by Steph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 OK, but please define the requirements for that list so I am clear. Does age have anything to do with it? For example, do Champion swirls made in 2000s qualify? If so, why/how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Vitro shooters that don't qualify as WV swirls for discussion's sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 I would feel very presumptuous defining WV swirls in an absolute way. I wasn't sure if others would list Mid-Atlantic since they were modern but I'm open. Personally I would be interested in shooter and boulder swirls made by any of the WV companies at any time. I thought I'd seen swirls in Vitro bags but they were a Washington company at the time. When were your Vitro shooters made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 That is my question ...what does West Virginia swirl mean? Does it really just mean swirls made by marble companies located in West Virginia, or is it a classification for marbles that look like the swirls made by American companies back in the day? Can some Vacors be WV swirls? Can JABOs? Are only Champion swirls made prior to 1970 WV swirls? What does it mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclsu Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I actually have ignored this term in my limited marble experience. I group all my swirl type Marbles together and then separate by manufacturer if apparent or color/style. I think a lot of new collectors use WV swirls to encompass all old swirls, since most books infer that a majority of swirls were made in that region Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 That is my question ...what does West Virginia swirl mean? Does it really just mean swirls made by marble companies located in West Virginia, or is it a classification for marbles that look like the swirls made by American companies back in the day? Can some Vacors be WV swirls? Can JABOs? Are only Champion swirls made prior to 1970 WV swirls? What does it mean? I wouldn't even in a joking way consider including Vacors as WV swirls. Sometimes if I want to get philosophical I might muse about the WV influence on Alox or on European swirls or even on Jabos. But when I say WV Swirls, I mean swirls made in West Virginia. Alox only gets included in that sometimes because I can't tell the difference between the Alox swirls and the WV swirls. I count Champions as WV swirls no matter whether it's vintage Champion or modern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Do D.A.S. swirl type marbles made in Pennsboro classify? Why or why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hopefully by the end of this thread I will understand what West Virginia swirl fully means. I really thought it had a timeline essence to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hopefully by the end of this thread I will understand what West Virginia swirl fully means. I really thought it had a timeline essence to it. I don't know whether others consider modern Champions to be WV swirls. I just can't imagine not including them, so I do. I'm not sure what others do about modern Champs. And I don't now if others include Mid-Atlantic swirls in with WV swirls. Beyond that, I only knowingly include marbles actually made in WV. Amsterdam swirls are made in Amsterdam, so they're not WV swirls. Vacors are made in Mexico, so they're not WV swirls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Do D.A.S. swirl type marbles made in Pennsboro classify? Why or why not? Uh oh. I defer my answer until after I find out if most people include Mid-Atlantics as WV swirls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I looked up some definitions and found one from the museum and one from marble bag collector extraordinaire Al Rasmus that were both helpful. Al's was the most helpful explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I looked up some definitions and found one from the museum and one from marble bag collector extraordinaire Al Rasmus that were both helpful. Al's was the most helpful explanation. What did they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I am sure Akro swirls and Bogard swirls would be included when hard to attribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I am sure Akro swirls and Bogard swirls would be included when hard to attribute. I wasn't aware that Bogard made any swirls. I was only aware of their cat's eyes, chinese checker marbles and industrial marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I can't copy and paste either one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I have Bogard white based swirls found in factory bags in 2 or 3 separate color combos. Good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) I have Bogard white based swirls found in factory bags in 2 or 3 separate color combos. Good enough for me. Could they have been leftover Heatons? (Of course I would call them WV swirls.) Edit: When the Bogards purchased Heaton the purchase did include some old stock. Some of the old stock was already in bags and the Bogard label was stapled over the Heaton label. But I gather some of the old stock was not already backed with the Heaton label. Edited October 12, 2015 by Steph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I can't copy and paste either one Can you paraphrase? Did Al include any modern swirls in his explanation for what a WV swirl was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Soooooo ... now that we've knocked about the definition of WV swirl, what does anyone know about larger sizes? A Ravenswood article claimed they made large marbles, but does anyone have any? Recently we appear to have established that Champion made some shooter-size marbles. Does anyone have any they might share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Whether or not these are legit Bogard swirls in the bags can be a mystery, but I like to believe they are Bogards. There are only a few different ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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