Peltier or Kokomo?

[Ric]

Not sure but . . .

it's got Christmas colors.

I'm leaning Kokomo . . . seen a Peltier like it?

[Fire1981]

I’m Kokomo on this one. The red ribbons and baseglass bubbles are kinda different then Pelts. The red ribbons are the deciding factor for me. 

[Chuck G]

Ric, i will say Koko on this one. I have a few that (i think) was estimated to possible be another maker, but i will go with Kokomo.  One step farther i have found examples that (i think) are early (experimental) but a term one may question. They are definitely made on the Peltier machine, no doubt.  Chuck G---

[cheese]

How can you tell what machine they were made on? Just curious. 

[Ric]

7 minutes ago, cheese said:

How can you tell what machine they were made on? Just curious. 

Kokomo originally purchased their machines from Peltier so I think all of their early marbles were made on a "Peltier machine", and you know some of Kokomo patterns are about as similar to Peltier patterns as you can get. My understanding is that Peltier also taught Kokomo how to use the machines so my guess is that the tank and glass-feeding set-ups were also quite similar.

[cheese]

I knew that about Kokomo using the Peltier machine, but the machine doesn't make any pattern or design or leave any signature behind, it just makes the glass round. Brian Graham makes marbles on the Peltier Miller machine but the patterns are nothing like any Peltier. It's all in the feed setup from the tank and shears. Once it hits the machine it's already got the pattern it's going to have. I would say the maker of that marble ^ had the same or very similar tank and glass feed setup as Peltier. I only bring this up because of so many new recent collectors who can quickly get the wrong idea.  

[wvrons]

I agree Peltier and Kokomo had similar furnaces or tanks and glass feed systems to marble machines. Any marble machine could make this marble round. Not any machine made marble company had a different certain specfic machine for every different size and type looking marble they produced.  They could not afford that.  You can make swirls, patch., patch and ribbon, ribbon design marbles all on the same exact marble machine. There was no machine that made only swirls. There was no machine that made only patch marbles. There was no machine than made only patch and ribbon marbles. There was no machine that put the bubbles in the marbles. There was no marble machine that added colors in any certain way. The marble machine is the very last piece of equipment used in the process. It makes the hot glass glob round. There are no magical marble machines that made a certain style or type marbles. Vitro machines made Jabo swirls for years. Akro machines has made Marble King marbles. Cairo Novelty machine made Jabos. Jabo made swirls and patch or patch and ribbion marbles all on old original Vitro machines. All the Jabo special investor runs 3/4 inch marbles were all made on a old 3/4 Vitro machine.  It made ribbon marbles at Vitro, then swirls at Jabo. Not once but for years and years, millions and millions a year of each style or type marbles. I may never see it, but one day this old myth of a certain marble machine making only certain style or type marbles will disappear. But once it is in print, even if it is later known to be wrong, it is almost impossible to change. The marble above could have been made round on a Vitro or a Heaton machine, or Sammys Mountain Marbles machine.       

[Chuck G]

Ron, very WELL SAID, and maybe this will get collectors in a better understanding of how marbles were made, no matter what has came down the pipe for many years. With (time) comes many many NEW informational provenience  that we all must learn to change our minds in the advancement of marble collecting. An open mind to (change) is wonderful and lots of new things we all learn. One machine can make (MANY) different family and style types.  Chuck G---