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ann Grand Master

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Yes!

Leighton. They nearly all have something that looks like soot over/in/around the melted pontil, like this. Given the color, it`s probably one of his that was made in Barberton. Hard to find, and very nice. Congrats.

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ann Grand Master

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I don`t see what I`d be looking for in a Leighton, on either of these nice slags - but tell me, is where the pontil would be, in these last pics, perfectly smooth (it looks like they are), or (offchance) does the first one have tiny facets (you can only see them by turning the  mib in your fingers under a raking light)?

If smooth, I`d say the first one is a very nice MFC, and the second a nice Akro.

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9 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

I’ve been told or encouraged to look at the twist in the slag as it runs vertically instead of chasing it horizontally when it’s not a machine made slag. If I full of carp crap on this one here then let me know. 🔥

Actually, in your photo (attached below) as it comes up to a pinch, (cloudy-white and rippling surface) I could almost see it as a Navarre, Barbiton Leighton thingy. These look like the punty rod used was tiny at only 1/16" or so, for the marks and pull to a pinch and a pontal remains. U no, N.B.L Marbles, being shaped in a forming cup as fast as their hands can move, with a punty rod, there's no shaping without a rod so, it's always going to be a rough spot from the punty. Can not shape the entire surface smooth wit rod in it. Constantly rotating axis, or rotate to make rod spot slick, can't happen, which is why extra work, torch it, 'Melted pontal' U no got.

From the overall appearance of the surface and stuff, in or on it, it leads me to the Akro H-G dug-ups that also have  white like this and plenty of those the surface is not smooth.

As for the first one, no seeing shaped in a forming cup at all. 

When it is vertical like Tommy's, it's looping. Most all H-G slags are horizontal in which, unless it's an exceptional spin, so many times, extraordinary: around and around and around with tight horizontal lines Machine rollers or hand shaped, U no, then otherwise,  it's like most...

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ann Grand Master

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Take a very close look at what appears to be a slightly rough pontil (first pic) and see if you can make out any facets. They`ll be hard to see - use a raking light and turn the marble to see if you can see any. Just on what I do see, It may be German - it`s certainly nice.

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Yep, copemys - It`s an old German slag, hard-to-find, a type once called "transitional" and/or "Leighton."

It`s not either.

Transitionals are now, in general, regarded as hand-gathered and machine-rounded like MFC and the Peltier Cerises.

All marbles assigned to Harvey Leighton (American) are now known to have melted pontils like the one pictured above.

The German faceted-pontil slags are very hard to find. Some have traces of oxblood, and others have what collectors call "egg-yolk." I think they were only made in small numbers towards the end of the 19th century or the first few years of the 20th, as some German marble-makers thought to compete with American marble-makers who were making the newly-popular slags. The German firms went on making their cane-cut marbles, too, in larger numbers, through the 1920s or so, excepting the war years. By then American marble-makers were dominating the market because they could produce attractive marbles far more cheaply than German companies with their labor-intensive cane-cut swirls. I`ll check on the dates for you - I don`t remember whether they can be narrowed down or not.

Altogether, you have a very nice (and scarce) marble!

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ann Grand Master

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33 minutes ago, Fire1981 said:

What the H3LL Ann? You too J54. I’m glad you’re here on Board but you make me feel like I’m just starting to learn to tie my own shoelaces. 🔥

:ROFL:  :ROFL:  It`s just that I started collecting marbles - exclusively -  with the old German cane-cuts and then fell under the spell of slags, by wherever and whoever, years before I started collecting machine-mades!

So I may have the jump on you on the oldies, but I`m still learning to tie my laces on the machine-mades. There, you probably have the jump on me, since I`ve only really studied & collected a few makers -Peltier, Alley, Akro (but not the patches), and VERY modestly CAC, mostly slags. I`ve never really collected Master, Marble King, & other West Va. companies, although I`ve bought some from time to time because they were pretty marbles.  I have collected chinas, cat`s-eyes, and special-run JABOs, but not obsessively, like I did with the old Germans and slags. That`s still where most of my marble knowledge is, and where my collection is still the strongest.

And I`m a retired art historian, which means I read and study things that are of interest to me with a certain . . . obsessiveness. It`s a habit I`m incapable of breaking, by now. And my very first marble-curiosity was turned to the old Germans and slags for quite a while, before anything else. So I can certainly run my mouth when the subject comes up!

Otherwise, still on a learning curve. That`s one of the things I like about marbles - the search for marbles and information is never-ending!

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