Jzoook6 Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Thoughts? Thank you in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Cairo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Yes, I must say that my first impression was that, especially for the reason of photo three and four, but without being able to confirm it... obviously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 oh really??? I feel like its gotta be. Do the non-opaque Cairo marbles have kind of a unique feel? I suspect I have a bunch. Thank you for your reply though for real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 You are welcome, also possible Heaton here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Jzoook6 said: Do the non-opaque Cairo marbles have kind of a unique feel? Each company had its own particular structure / motif in the construction of marbles, although they could be very similar to each other, such as Heaton and Cairo Some reasons may be distinguishable for a particular company, so what is certain, others (in the case of the third and fourth photos above) are just feelings that you can have Sensations, for the structure of the swirl and in the way it swirls, already seen in that particular company but, without being completely sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 I'm down for Ravenswood. The glass is too nice for Cairo IMO but I see why it was suggested. Also I see the purple in it and the metallic bit at the seam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Roberto Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 I agree, I also see this possibility 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 10 hours ago, cheese said: I'm down for Ravenswood. The glass is too nice for Cairo IMO but I see why it was suggested. Also I see the purple in it and the metallic bit at the seam. Is that deep purple a Ravenswood trait!?! I have a few that are a very unique royal purple clear. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 No not really, if transparent purple points to anyone in swirls I guess it would be Sistersville Alley. But I've never seen it in any Cairos like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Its definitely blue glass but it has a weird purple cast on some angles. Check this out from westvirginiaswirls.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 wait maybe thats just their blacklight reflecting lol my b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Heres a pic of the mystery blue next to some other swirls (the one on the left could be a Cairo Cloudy Day?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Yes, good photo, now you see what I mean about the glass being too good for it to be Cairo. The left does appear to be a Cairo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Yes I sure do! Did these manufacturers ever do special fancy smaller batch runs? Also check out the lines on the darker blue guy...gotta be the same maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 The dark blue one could be Ravenswood, not sure from the one pic. The other three appear to be Alleys. I'm leaning Alley for all 4 from this pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, cheese said: The dark blue one could be Ravenswood, not sure from the one pic. The other three appear to be Alleys. I'm leaning Alley for all 4 from this pic. .59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Yeah, I'd call that Ravenswood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Last 5 mibs Alley imho...👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Ok scratch that ... I agree with cheese 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 12 hours ago, cheese said: Yeah, I'd call that Ravenswood. I think you are right. Would love to find another example of that shade of blue glass though. To me its a pretty unique blue. Thanks all for helping figure this out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jzoook6 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 11:50 PM, Jzoook6 said: Thoughts? Thank you in advance! @Roberto After seeing your Gray/Yellow Cairo, I really think this is one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 These companies made marbles 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 200-250 per minute, sometimes for months. What is a run ? They might change colors ten times a day or once every two or three days. The worst thing for a glass furnace or marble machine is to shut it down and let it sit. The machine rolls will begin to rust in 12-24 hrs. Big temperature changes will cause furnace brick to crack. The term RUN is misused very often. This started after the investor runs at Jabo in 2008. They were specific numbers of pounds of glass paid for by investors. They usually lasted 8 to 12 hours long and 2000lbs. Once that specific run was done the furnace and machine was never shut down. We just rolled out the 3/4 machine and put a 9/16 or 5/8 back under the furnace and went back to making industrial marbles. Vintage WV swirls companies might make 2000 or 6000lbs. of white base and blue swirls. Then make 2000 or 6000lbs. of white base and red marbles. Then maybe make 2000 or 5000lbs. of white base and orange swirl marbles . What ever they needed or had orders for. Once they were all made then they would be mixed together packaged, bags, boxes, drums, etc and shipped. Many of the multi color marbles comes when the color changes happen. Making white base and blue swirls. Switch to red. Let the blue colored glass run low and get thin. Add the red on top of the blue. Now you have white base with blue and red swirls. When the blue is totally gone you have white base and red swirls. So what is a RUN ? Where does a run begin and stop ? That will probably be different with many people. How do you know when the changes happened unless you were there ? Unless you were there or someone was who knows when something started or ended. How do you know when a run began and stopped ? Very hard if at all possible to know what a run was unless you or someone witnessed it. So many terms misused with marble collecting. Like cold roll mark. One hundred more times likely to be a hot roll mark rather than cold roll mark. But once it is printed in books, it is almost impossible to change. The answer is always, but it has always been this. To move forward requires change. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, wvrons said: How do you know when a run began and stopped ? This explains a lot--The difference in Akro corks for instance- the fire/furnace was always going and the glass colors continued to change. They keep it going to keep it going—production was the word. Love it Ron--good explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 The number one key with every company was marbles per minute, per month. Everything else came in line after marbles per minute, 24hrs a day. Correct once things were running standard product, keep it running at all cost. Making any repairs and adjustments at all possible, on the fly while keeping things hot and flowing. They never shut down and everybody went home at 5pm each day. At the most worth a penny each and at 200 per minute, they might make 200 cents a minute before any cost were deducted. Deduct the natural gas, the equipment cost and maintenance, the ingredients, labor, advertisement, shipping, etc. The 200 cents per minute gets small. So every minute counted if there was to be any profit. Keep it going, to keep going, and have a job. One of the lowest paying jobs at the time, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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