Ron did a WV swirl workshop in Texas some years back. Ron, none of us are as good as you are, but you taught at least some of us to recognize a lot of WV swirls. I don't know them all, but I sure know a lot more than I did before you came. Willie Benoit has become adept at identifying them too. I understand that you have dug and handled so many that none of us could ever catch up with you. I appreciate all the IDing that you do. I agree with your above post too. Many people no longer post here because they don't like the snarkiness of many people here. I am loving Duffy's facebook marble board. It's easy to post pics and there is no belittling, no snarky comments,no marble snobbiness, etc. It's a good mix of oldsters and beginners and everyone is helpful to everybody else. It reminds me of what this board was years ago, Duffy runs a tight ship. You have to be invited to be a part of it and if you can't follow the rules, you're out. The tone of this thread before Ron came on turned me off. I was hoping Ron would drop by. Thanks Ron for all you said.