You're all good, Chuck. I completely understand the challenge of identifying swirls, even if you have cullet in hand - sometimes, especially when you have cullet in hand! lol. And I'm sure there are still many Alleys and Ravenswoods in CAC collections - it can be exceptionally tough to change minds away from CAC. But you know me, I'd take a Ravenswood that looks like CAC over a similar CAC any day of the week!