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Wow again. I do understand the issue, but boy it's pretty hard to ignore examples like the two above. Can't say I'd mind having either of them, as long as they were small enough! (Fortunately, I'm sure they're not. On the other hand, although it's taken me about 5 years, I've managed to get 4 small-enough James Alloway marbles. I CAN be persistant!) Thanks for the intro to the debate -- Ann

Wow. A whole issue I never even thought about. I can see why the glass site might be reluctant to include non-glass marble artists, though. And I have to admit I recently discovered a prejudice I didn't know I had, when I realized I was struggling with the idea of purchasing my first Carl Fisher marble -- struggling, because although it was stunning (a glossy black-and-white Christensen-style striped opaque) it wasn't glass! I chastized myself and got out my chinas and clays and stared at them for a while and then bought the Carl Fisher! But so far it's still my only non-glass contemporary one. But I'm anything but an expert on contemporaries, just someone who can't set time-period-limits on her marble interests! Ann

Wow - that would be great if you could get a pic of it (or them). I'll keep my fingers crossed! Thanks, Ann

Hi Steph -- If you're interested, I have a few more names, although I'm not sure one of them is working anymore, since I haven't found anything by her on ebay in a longish time -- Delila Davis. Then there are two who're working now, Keith Baker and Randall Burnett. Although Burnett is not new to glass, I think he's only recently started in marbles. And, when I bought my first marble from Ashley Genovini, she was Ashley Galaites, so some may know her under that name instead. Those were my big surprises -- that I had three that wern't on The List! I wasn't surprised at all to find that I didn't have examples of the work of HUNDREDS of marble artists. Fortunately, that's a goal I have not and WILL not set for myself! It's hard enough sticking to my self-imposed "nothing over 1 1/8 inch" rule - - - Thanks again for "finding" the list for me! Ann

Looks like there might be a couple of the light blue Alleys with lazy white ribbons, too -- they're not rare, but they're not all that common, either - - - Another company also made some similar ones, though, but I forget which one -- Heaton? I'll check (although I'm sure someone here knows without checking!) Ann

Hey, I brought it up, so I get first dibs --

In one of the recent Jabo books there's a mention of the first-known machine-made marbles with lutz as being Alley "green-based blue flames outlined with lutz." They're in a private collection, and I know Steve has seen them, but does anyone have photos of them? That could be posted here? Love to see them. Thanks, Ann

OH! Thank you! I know I'm a little nuts, but I really wasn't ready to believe I had just made the whole list up in my mind and then talked myself into believing it really existed! I've now printed it out - - - Ann

And understand what you're talking about? Not everyone here is an expert in everything -- Thanks for the clarifications -- Ann

Pretty recently (the last week or two or three?) you posted a list of contemporary marble artists - I remember suggesting the addition of James Cooprider -- and I've been looking for it since then, since I didn't have the sense to print it out for my own notes at the time. Maybe you have a better recollection than me? Sure would appreciate it if you could dredge it up! Maybe it was in a post about identifying the unknown maker of a contemp? In the ID forum? I'll keep trying, but if you try too then surely we'll find it! Thanks, Ann

No clue. Bogard had a clear mib with a transparent green "brush" sort of like that, but none that I've seen have a cat-eye too . . .

Yep, ruby bee is what I was told, when I got it - - - - Ann

There! Not terminology getting in the way. Undefined terminology getting in the way! To me, bee = yellow. Nobody said a bee is six ribbons or 4 ribbons, or red & black running together or red and black being separate. You have to say these things! I'm slow! Thanks, Ann PS - so what do I have?

I'm just not gettin' the comparison to a golden rebel, since that term makes sense -- as a rebel where the usual white base has been replaced by gold/yellow. But since a bee is by definition gold/yellow, what the heck is a golden bee? Or a golden ruby bee? I have a red or ruby bee (yellow base with trans. red stripes instead of opaque black stripes), no aventurine. What the heck is it, then? Thanks, Ann

I'll hunt up my cat's-eye book tonight -- I think there's something about a multi-color single vane in there - - - Ann

Wow, Steve, this is great. Knew it had to have been written by someone who knew what they were doing! I wrote for publication for years, back in my museum days (you can still stumble across small exhibition catalogues by me on Amazon sometimes, if you put in my whole name . ..) and have been editing stuff for people (mostly museum people) for about 15 years. I actually like to do it. Well, most of the time. It CAN be very hard work. But I think you'll now understand why I get picky about terminology here on the board sometimes. Pay me no mind! Thanks for this -- I've printed it out to keep -- Ann

Thanks, Steph -- I'm not confident in my non-corkscrew Akro knowledge, so your idea that the row might be backfilled or misfilled gave me a sense of relief . . . In my head, I was looking at that row and going "What?? Akro?? You're kidding. How have I missed that?? Am off to the horsehair oxblood thread straighaway! Ann

Looks like one of the Ultra run mibs with lutz. I have a beauty of one! Thanks again, bermar! Ann

Wow. I don't know whether to cheer up because there are so many boxes out there, and I at least got to see these, or to be depressed because even one is so far out of my league . . . Question: In the Akro Imperials box there's a row of the aqua / horsehair oxbloods. Love 'em and buy them when I can. Not sure I knew Akro made any -- I know Alley did, and Peltier made a few. Has anyone studied enough of this type to be able to tell who made what? Or can you point me in the right direction if there's an existing thread in the archives? Thanx, Ann

But terminology, and how well we know the meaning, and why & how we choose to use one term rather than another, is the only thing that enables us to kind of know what the heck other people are talking about. Keep in mind, however that this is an old art historian speaking, and we're about terminology almost as much as we're about art and its history! I think the real issue is usually that people don't really read exactly what's been written. They skim it, and maybe they get it and maybe they don't, but if they don't that doesn't stop them from going on and on about it - - - Not much anybody can do about that. Dynamite green glass cat! Ann

Very well written. What a treat -- Ann

As I said. The probably-Japanese ones usually have a kind of spidery line for a pontil (or pontil mark / scar). I'd use the term "eyelash" but that would get us into a whole 'nother can of worms, which has already been opened and served on this board! Ann

Shear marks! Thank you. The term I was -- well, not searching for, but should have been searching for! Yep, it's grand! Ann

I don't want to get into an arguement about words here (no fight! no fight!), but the term pinch pontil is usually used with only older marbles ("transitionals" and their close kin), and not with machine-mades after 1950 or so, when cat's-eyes hit the market. Not sure you can use the word "pontil" for a seam on a purely machine-made mib, for that matter, although I guess you could argue about it. Of course. The transitionals (and some later Japanese-made hand-gathered swirls) have an actual pontil, or punty, or metal-rod-that-gathers-the-glass, or whatever (No, please don't start, no, not again! I read all those posts too!) associated with their creation, even though some (maybe many, maybe most) were rounded by machine. IMHO? Not on your life. Not-Shy-Ann

Great. Another fight. I think a lot of people take themselves too seriously. This includes everybody in the world. Lightening up would be good.