hey Kevin,,, the top one is fairly common in the later boxes, where the bottom one is in the earlier boxes. the bottom type I have sold in the 10.00 range, some more, if they had oxblood and more than 3 colors. so if that helps with Steph's timeline?
it's funny you would post these as I just finished working with a picture of a similar akro patch that has a peach/wine with blue and green! lol