Steph

Here, I went ahead and downloaded the entire photos so you could have more than thumbnails.

Here's a screen shot of a marble posted by a friend on Facebook. It is a swirl. The black does not have aventurine. 3/4" Everybody but me is saying Peltier. But I am sure that Ron taught me years ago that this was Alley. Between the swirl pattern, the base glass, and the sheen of the black that makes you hope it has aventure but it does not have aventurine, I am completely on board with this being Alley. What say you? @wvrons?

Hmmmm .... I won't be surprised if it turns out to be modern.

It's gorgeous. Certainly not "just a game marble". Are you seeing Master structure in your blacklight photos?

Melissa, the mighty mib hunter!

I'd say not worth restoring. Even if you could find someone who could restore, I think probably the smarter investment would be to buy others in better condition. What to do with them? I don't know. It's hard to throw an old marble away, isn't it. I have a jar for beat up ones that I'm not sure what to do with.

Ambivalent seam there! flattish, yet short I think I would expect closer to a v-shaped on a Master Cloudy, but I sold my own Cloudys before I realized what I had. I had a cache in a 1933 World's Fair cigar box! And sold 'em for a song. So I can't compare in hand. Looking at yours now through my tear-laden eyes, I won't rule yours out as a Master, but I am uncertain.

That too! And to make searches worse, once upon I time I saw one of them spelled as mellon with the other spelled as melon. Ai yi yi. I guess to tell them apart? Now I can't remember if it was the German or the Master which was given the different spelling. Maybe there was actually some other logic to it, like maybe it was a German spelling? Anyway ... yeah, there's that.

p.s. many collectors call them melon balls, not Cloudys, because somewhere along the way many collectors started using the name Cloudy for a different style marble. Maybe knowing the name melon ball will help you search, or help you communicate with other collectors. And some people will call them Master opaques, even when the point is that they're not opaque. Couple of pix: https://www.peltiermarbles.info/mastermarbles?pgid=kp5rvujl-d5957e92-e666-488b-a896-ef10fa6dcbfe Labeled sample box here: https://marbleconnection.com/topic/6684-mostly-pix-master-made Not the same shade as your green, but I do not know what all variety of greens there were. Cloudys don't get ID-ed often.

That would be a good plan. For now though, this is the particular marble which is making me wonder if you could see a Master-like structure to it.

Marble King made some big ones in modern times. I think it was in the 2000's. I don't know if that's one of theirs. I _thought_ I had some. However, I couldn't find them the last time I looked. Hard to believe I gave them all away but it's possible. So I can't check to see if yours looks right for Marble King.

Check your translucent ones for a Master-like construction. It's _possible_ that you could have a Master Cloudy hidden in amongst the commons.

Some onionskins here: https://buymarbles.com/german-handmade-glass.html

Master to me

That Facebook post immediately made me remember an old conversation where Sue Cooper reluctantly did a comparison between what we thought a crudely painted modern marble and an authentic old ceramic. So I subscribed to follow the conversation. But you say the Facebook pic is now gone? My first attempt to pull up Scoop's discussion came up empty. So I don't have anything specific to offer other than being curious why it was deemed that the crudely painted marbles were an early version. My default would not be to assume that a messier version was an older version.

agree with all, leaning to Master

Leroy passed away in 2018.

Who you calling a jerk?! Nice float.

Vitro sounds good to me.

LOL ... yup!

I think it was Brian Graham who tried through different sources from mine to come up with any evidence to back up Pink's claims about his collegiate and naval accomplishments. The result was that this looks like more of Pink's falsified bio. Also, Pink's birth year kept moving forward in various recountings to the census and in articles. He was born in the 1890's, but he kept shaving a year or two at a time off his age as the decades passed. A "funny" coincidence is that back when I was looking into these things, I traced the Rosenthal family and their industries through many decades, and one of the brothers who headed the Rosenthal companies had a son whose actual bio resembled the one that Pink appears to have made up. Beyond the hard facts that we are able to establish, which are many, I have my own theories. I suspect that a 30-something-year-old Pink was more than a little insecure about the Rosenthal dynasty and that the insecurity fed both his ambition and his need to blot the Rosenthals out of his resume as he went on after the embarrassment of Rosenthal's lawsuit against him. But what this has to do with a small red and yellow patch? Nothing other that my musings about how marbles made at a Pink-affiliated factory in the early 30's would be reasonable marbles to find in Rosenthal packaging since that seemed to me like it would have been the point for Pink and/or Rosenthal to be affiliating themselves with such a factory during that time period.

Ron, I found some tidbits that I compiled years ago. I find Berry Pink fascinating. In 1930, the census said he was an executive for a rubber mill. That would have been Morris Rosenthal's rubber mill. That double compartment bag which Pink invented -- the Rosenthal company owned the patent. That patent was filed in 1931. A Playthings trade magazine from November 1932 features Rosenthal and says Berry Pink is their sales manager. Then Pink had the falling out with Rosenthal and he quickly invented a whole new biography. For example, his entry in the 1939 edition of Who's Who in American Jewry says he was in the U.S. Intelligence Department during those years. Then according to his new biography, he left the Intelligence Department in 1933 and starting making marbles and reflectors in 1934. That's quite the transition ... or would be if that's what really happened. I know that he worked for Rosenthal. And I give credit to Rosenthal for giving Pink the opportunity to network with marble makers, leading to the ambitious Pink's opportunity to eventually become the Marble King.

On this little point, I feel 100% confident that he was. Seems I knew his job title there once upon a time. Now I have to go digging.

Welcome. Nice mix there. A lot of vintage. A little modern.

Welcome, JJ!