Chuck G

Fire, your example is very nice, good find. Now look for this same marble with (black) instead of blue. I have seen and have many ones like this. Chuck G---

X3 agree. Chuck G---

I agree with Ric. I have found these in Peltiers "Champion Jr." bags. Chuck G---

Chuck has it correct, an MK "Blue Boy". Chuck G---

Hey everyone, some very good discussions on this subject. TT always remember with Marble king, until you get farther into the later runs that blend as they call it that you will always have the patch poles in opposite colors as the configuration goes from one color to the other color and so far until you get into the later runs that av even showed up till then. Av showed up in the later run MK "Dragonflies" and others. The first runs normal patch and ribbons were on a white opaque milk glass with the colored patch and ribbons. Yes, ii have some "Chocolate" examples. I myself consider the color chocolate the color of a Hershey chocolate bar. Everything after that either goes much darker into black or much lighter into the tan color. some really nice photo examples shown on this subject, well done everyone. My thoughts and input. Chuck G---

For me, I like keeping the name sake "Halloween" in the Alley family type, not so much in the other makers. Ric had a very good point. Chuck G---

Fire, a quick comment on my part on these family types of Peltiers. You will find these colored ribbon combinations on many base colors. As you change the base colors, you change the name sake. The ribbon colors on your example you will find on base colors of opaque black, clear transparent, colored transparent, but some base colors are rarer than others making examples harder to find. Chuck G---

Fire, a very nice example for sure. Looks orange more than yellow on my computer, love the av. Chuck G---

Ric, i see (all) Marble Kings. We all know that some named marbles (cross over) from one maker to another maker. I (think) most would not want to many of these (cross over) names which complicates marble collectors. I would like to see most collectors (limit) these (cross over) names if possible. I see in your photos as the first in the "Bengal Tiger" family type. The second marble in the "Black Widow" family type. The third marble i do not think has a specific name yet, leaning towards a tan base with black ribbons, thinking on the "Faded Wasp" family type. I do (think) that Marble King did have specific names for some of their production runs that were bagged or boxed for the public. My thoughts and opinions. Chuck G---

I agree, Peltier and a nice one. I love this powder blue deep translucent/opaque base. Chuck G---

SORRY, Ric is correct, i do have them backwards after reviewing the post again. I do make mistakes sometimes. Fire, on the last photos, I am curious if they could be Kokomos? See what the others say. Chuck G---

Chad, very good points. As i age i do forget some things. I can see the "Juggernaut" on the first example and "Turtle Dove" on the second photo. You are correct between the first an NLR and the second photo a rainbo. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Chuck G---

Kim, i agree Peltier all the way, an early one i think. This style type is very good, as i have all the colors except black which i do not think they made any black ones. The best one to find is the (powder blue) example. Red ones are super nice also, if they made red that looks just like your example. Some of these examples are (internal)(criss-cross )types and some are more to the surface. Chuck G---

Fire, i would like to make a few more observations to this subject. Here is my (opinion) on this, as some may disagree or agree. I will take you on a (guessing) (time line). When Peltier started making the "Primas" , they also from all i have learnt, that they produced a hand gathered green base with the same color of the pink/coral color. These examples are VVHTF if not impossible in the wild. Ok that being said, i (speculate) that they produced some (swirl) types like this one you have in question. These mentioned examples are not that easy to find, except the original named boxed "Primas". I have discussed many times with other collectors, of what was made at the start of their production in marbles. My thoughts. Chuck G---

Some family types likes this with this name was called something else years ago. I do not know where "Juggernauts" came from but these examples were called "Turtle Doves. If you go back in the past archives you will see where i posted this example which by description is a good grey base with ribbons of transparent (orange) ribbons. Chuck G---

A great looking Peltier swirl family type, probably early. I have to go with Peltier on this, as a fellow collector and i have discussed these family types and certain aspects to the glass flow to look for and this examples has what we had talked about. Chuck G---

I agree with Chuck. Chuck G---

Melissa, i would agree with Chad also. As a pee-wee, i think i would (keep it) for now. The reason is that there are (plenty) of "Rebels" out there for sale and can be bought reasonable. Certain examples in Peltier in the pee-wee size are a little difficult to find. Chad had asked me a very good question about Peltiers pee-wees and if they were a production run for sale. I would say in my opinion that they may have been in production but limited to so many pounds made. If you go real small or real large, i do not think as many were produced in the three main sizes that fit the kids hands better.If Peltier made all the common examples we all know about, why not make a few small versions. Chuck G---

WOW!!! Chuck that is very cool looking. I done a in wall shadow box like that for my wife and her collection. Chuck G---

Fire, these examples can be very confusing for sure. Some of these could very well have came from Peltier and i know some were dug. the examples I have were more in the rainbo ribbon design (however) saying, yes, they probably made swirl types also, knowing they made the MCS and MCR types. These being Peltier compare them to the Champion swirls, they look very similar. Yes, many (makers) did these "Coral" looking family types. Chuck G---

Chad, had it correct from what i see. Chuck G---

I will make a guess at this and i could be wrong, but i have an example like this that i (think is an Akro purple "Ringer" (patch). Chuck G---

Brother Chad, HAPPY THANKSGIVING back to you and all the other members of the forum. We all must be so (thankful) for all we have, what a blessing. Chuck G---

Being a (repo) is a very good question. I have seen over the years these that are close to older scrimshawed examples but very well could be a repo. Walk cautious on purchasing these types of games. Get some past information that could help also, but remember (stories) are very easily made up. If you get some good documentation from the past, it could be a very good item to have in a collection. Chuck G---

Jeff, first photo example is HTF, especially with red glass. Second photo, you can find with a little searching. Third photo looks like an Akro (dug) example, (could be wrong with that). Fourth photo is another HTF example, as i (in my opinion) is an Akro "Ringer" family type but is in a clear base with some translucency to the mix. I have found all these examples and evaluated them in the Akro family. Chuck G---