Jeff54

It's probably a lot closer to who and when than you may realize. I mean, first off, Marble King's patch and ribbon, as far as I am concerned, is Peltier's next-generation, and boy it really shows when they were made,. At the time MK was attempting to recreate their old most desirable collectible marbles. Here you can see the pattern too. I shouted out in 1997, whenever they started to make replicas. I called it a 'Split-Patch' the first of this kind had a patch on one side and another on the other side that is split open. Soon after, idk, 2001 or 2 these like the topic 'Double split-patch', where both patches are split open and why it looks like a Peltier. I'm sure you and others have seen the 1997 single split patch and next like Peltier, with a double split patch pattern, just didn't realize it:

I would take that bet and raise you 6 Masters because in my photo; except I have my doubts about the orange in the center, on the bottom left. All the others, I'd put my money on Masters of the First Sunburst, similar too or knock-off Akro Sparklers days. While it's not very clear, the Black, Blue, Green, Yellow, and the two Red/Yellow ones are all pretty much the same construction or design as the center of the white one.

I have some, (Somewhere) I forget when made, exactly, 2001 or 2? Regardless these are part of the run when made too; Mostly Pix - Marble King - Steph's Study Hall - Marble Connection

That link is broken so I hunted it down: Cup from Emona. A glass cup was discovered in one of the graves in a cemetery near the Roman castrum (now Ljubljana, Slovenia). It was made of glass in the millefiori technique (an Italian term meaning a thousand flowers). It is a method of obtaining multi-coloured glass, which consists in combining glass paste (in the form of tubes) into decorative patterns, cutting it into slices and then melting it into the surface of the vessel. Everything is done “hot”. Items made in this technique were luxury goods and were used by Roman patricians. Dated to the 1st century CE. Cup from Emona « IMPERIUM ROMANUM

Just happen to have a 36-count Marble King bag sitting around: 'MARINE PURIES'

Circa mid 1980's, "newer"

Ha, ha, ha!🥴

The clear separates the yellow and red, but hardly considered a formal stream as i do not think it's part of the intentional design. I have a blue and yellow doing that but hardly mention it except it's a CAC trait. The blue and yellow I have with clear like that come from Cambridge. So, I go with CAC too. I see the line of white but not clearly and for these two colors which are a more frequent two-color CAC standard, very unusual to have any white.

Actually, I don't use it, but I like the link you usually post fire. I forget the site but it hits a lot of eBay stuff in one stroke.

Yeah, I do not doubt that all you've ever seen had/have a clear base mix. Indeed all photos of them are like that. All I can say is those I linked with light blue transparent were exactly what had been shown to me and it's been too long to remember what year. I remember them on the net as well and like me, along with others; because it was Vacor, or regardless who, new stuff which usually carries little to no desire to antique or rare marble collectors. What I'd seen and the story about them, at that time, was so exceptional, it's not something easily forgotten. So, maybe, because it was the same time the Vacors popped up, maybe the information I picked up was an assumption by most who relayed their opinions. One thing I am certain of, they are not CAC.

Ha! Yeah, I have not seen the guinea types in quite some time. Those two are photos Alan B. had shot which appear to have been sold by him at eBay. Titled 'large cac one inch guinea' Seems to have been mislabeled. I can't remember which year they came out and somebody drove a good distance to my home and asked me about the one he had. With my own authentic Guineas to compare the frit wanted to match. Anyway, collectors scooped them up and the other styles get a good price, like a couple of hundred and more. I expected, being Vacor, there would be millions more to come and so I only priced up one for a few bucks, that's a big Lavender and Yellow hand g gathered With the nine pattern Cobra/Cyclone. Accordingly, when made, the word was: Vacor hand-made them all. Alan also added 12 other colors and styles on his website where only a few look like CAC and or the same colors. Vacor de Mexico (buymarbles.com

(Oops, edited, I linked a photo of the same marble, and now put the other so there's 2 different ones now) U no, it's perplexing. The cane idea makes sense but I don't think it accounts for Guinea Cobras. Frit rolled on, cut, and finished on a set of rollers based on MFC's patent. On a Guinea, you have to ask; 'How does the frit get inside the center, and or submerged just below the surface of the cane?' I think, you'd pretty much, need to make the cane in layers. I believe there are plenty blue blue-based guinea Cobra styles, you just can't see them easily. We know, just based online, the past auctions or sales of original 25-count boxes have clear base marbles and maybe 20 or more percent of them have submerged frit (Cobra). Obviously, it's a system where this occurs regardless of whichever base color is used. As I refer; Vacor did something that alludes to the subject; Here are two of them. You got cut ends, frit laying on the surface just swell and big, at 1 inch +/- 1/16", without hand-gathered nines. The only difference is, there's no frit (Cobra) sub-surface. If I knew a bit more of what Vacor did? I am inclined because vacor also made hand-gathered Atmospheres at the same time, to consider the information you've gathered, that CAC Guinea were made in the same way Vacor has; a mixture of craft and machine rollers. Albeit, I am not against opinions too.

I know/knew Ralf W., Ralf. I visited him, in August 2005 not long after you bought him out. I've been wondering when the book, he said the person he'd sold out to was going to publish a book about CAC, would do so or not ever since then. I've been to the CAC dig site and the dry river bed too. Ralf didn't have to tell me where the site was, it's kind of common knowledge. However, knowing Ralf W., not a great deal but enough, I can imagine why some people might argue about him. In the meantime, guineas being handmade or cane craft, may not be too fetched since Vacor De Mexico crafted their Atmosphere marbles by hand, craft, and or whatever. Because some are hand-gathered, some are cut Guinea and some are like cobra and cyclones too, and practically the exact colors CAC used.. And speaking of stripped transparent; there are these guys, presumably made in Germany or near as that's where I've found them: Made in single and double seams as well plus always Big-Uns 7/8":

This is a Vacor Atmosphere, not a CAC. regardless, I had one of these in my hands to evaluate for hours. Vacor's giant guineas are the best imitations ever made. Hours with one because it's so good, hard to believe it's not a CAC. That was until I ran across the Atmospheres whenever they'd first hit the toy stores; Toys R Us.. Opps light transparent blue core base? besides being 31/32 CAC never did that base color too. Do you need proof? Fooled Smitty, Alan B, and many more. But never mind all of that too. Evidently, Vacor figured it out.

Appears to have a single seam and at pewee size: Amber CAC Slag.

Considering how Akro multi-colored corks are made, in two or more colors, using two or more tanks, a primary large base color, and smaller secondary, and a potential 3rd or more tanks, I could not consider this marble to be a Popeye. This has white, a transparent blue, and some type of brownish simi opaque for a 3rd color. Enough to illustrate the presence of 3 different tanks and 3 separate streams. However, the only portion of these in the Popeye family is white. It may be a hybrid and diluted colors in a tank wash change, but to be inside of a Popeye box or set, rejected before it gets out the gate. Otherwise, simply albeit not as simple as that, but it's a very unusual tri-colored special.

Ha, ha! you misquoted me "I appear to have been glazed" Ha, ha! Yeah, I know that Hansel has shared quite a few varieties of clay or porcelain marbles over many years. Probably has the best collection vs any of us. I have some too but not the interest he does. If it's any consolation those Photos of Micheal's presumably 'dug-up' on site American Marble & Toy Co. marbles is the first and only time I've ever seen them in an online photograph. . And, that is also just today once I googled and hit the article it's in. Regardless, I do not have any earthenware rolled-in paint like you are pointing out but I think I've seen those multi-colored types in Germany more than in the US. Except, heck, it's been about 20 years since I paid any attention to them, sooo,,. . That was why I decided to google em up.

I can't see or relate a condition to say who made any of these.

I am not sure those are: Link: American Toy Marble Museum | Homeschoolers' Adventures (wordpress.com) All appear to have been glazed, especially with more white than other colors.

Oh, that was easier than I thought it would be: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x3a3942b27436b927%3A0xbcbef360116b7082!3m1!7e131!4s!5sGlass Marbles India!15sCgIgAQ&hl=en&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipMiwX-r3Vqg2huICG8eSKh8mW68_3ltkXfzar46# The link to their "swastik" logo, cross-threw and regular cats plus some strange porcelain-looking marbles that might be machine-made for the smooth and excellent spherical shape. Their manufacturing building that's in the video, with logo on gates. Examples and stuff that's shown on the Google Maps page side bar. I simply typed in Google: "Glass Marbles India"

Pretty interesting as it's type, I don't know that anybody has identified them. I stopped the video to capture them. It looks like multiple types are being made. Cat eyes like Peltier and mixed with more types. Your guess is as good as mine.

Yellow Peacock:

I believe this is a Vitro, but I've never seen another like it.:

An Akro Lemonade is green without UV. When under UV light it glows even brighter green. The Lemonade oxblood in this photo is not under UV and yet, here you can see the difference as the top left is practically glowing.