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Without the blow out creator this marble would be $250.00 or more, if mint 9.0 to 9.6 or 9.8 condition. Especially with the yellow base. There are a lot of Alley Calligraphy color combinations marbles that are not in the salesman sample case. The black background helped brighten this marble in the picture. This marble with the big blow out even that it is a as made problem. I would not pay $20.00 or even $10.00 for it. But I have chased Alleys in person and the internet coast to coast for 25 years. Do not list it for sale at $10,000 or $500.00. I have tried for four years to buy a certain Calligraphy from one seller at a show. Four years ago I offered $200.00. Three years ago I offered $250.00. Two years ago I offered $300.00. The seller has now been offered more and still has it. But maybe I will see it again at Canton OH in two weeks ? It is a different color combination than I have seen yet. Sad to see that big blow out which is not normal for Alley marbles but they happen. Happens on some marbles from all machine made companies, that produced good numbers for years. I have never seen any blow out on any furnace marbles. Possible but with the coefficient problems with the furnace marbles and fractures. A blow out would probably make a Champion furnace scraping marble fall apart.

No. I have never seen any Champion or Champion furnace marble anything like this. There were not that many different opaque furnace marbles and they are more on the plain side of furnace marbles. Looks like Alley Calligraphy pattern to me. Such a shame it has the huge bubble blow out. A few Calligraphy marbles below of different color combinations. Look at your next to the last picture and look below. Some of the ones below have more striping color showing than yours. But the ones below are better more swirls or striping color than many have. Look at the broken up, chopped up pattern, diving in and out. Everything twisted with the marble. Hooks and partial hooks, sharp tips, color in, out, under, over, small separate pieces of color.

Not easy. top left probably Jabo top right not Jabo, not with that red or orange base. Probably Vacor. bottom left could be Ravenswood or Champion. bottom right, I first thought Cairo but after a closer look. I think it is Alley. Due to the glass quality and bright color. Along with the one curved sharp flame tip. Plus the center stripe in the last pic. Just more pointing toward Alley than others.

No double ingot.

I agree with all.

It happens on the surface on top of many colors of glass. A Alley was posted today on AAM with this same thing. Maybe it is a certain chemical that did not get the proper heat or to much heat and floats more to the surface ?

To good to be true. Usually is just that.

The supply and demand may depend on where you shop. Same as with many things today. This will hold true for many marbles sold or bought across the US. But like most things marbles not all 100%. The majority again. Highest price you might pay for the same marbles. The highest. Go to Facebook. Next lower will be Ebay. If you like to gamble, buy them in big lots? But better odds in Vegas. Or If you want 50% of the listings and conditions wrong. Or if you like pictures of one side only of a marble. Or ten pictures to far away or blurry. Pay high shipping, a tip for the seller. Pay state sales tax. Next lower would be attend a show. Some people mark the price double. Like Facebook prices. Most do not. You have the marble or marbles in hand for inspection. The deal is made face to face. There is no shipping cost. There is no buyers premium. You may learn something new. You may make a long time friend. Next lower would be at a in person auction. If you can inspect them ahead of time and hope there are not 10-20 collectors there which you saw at the last show. Plus the 20% to 30% buyers premium. Next lower might be online auctions ? Some of these may get as high priced as Facebook. If you like bad pictures. Like to gamble on what you get and how it is shipped. Plus gamble on the shipping cost. Another buyers premium, For sure almost no returns. Next lower would be pay $20.00-$50.00 for a blue colored glass or clear glass quart jar of marbles at a antique store. Filled with new marbles, Asian cat eyes, rejects from someone's collection,. With one Popeye and the damaged side turned away and the lid taped shut. Pay state sales tax. Prices you pay may depend on your hunting grounds ?

Another new Pelt name for me ??? The only marble which I knew of that had the Tomato name was Vitro. The Vitro with the Tomato name has been around for many years, before the 1980's. Just why I stopped collecting Peltier marbles. I could not keep up or ever possibly remember all the Peltier named marbles.

It is a possible Heaton. But I cannot be sure with these pics. I have no idea what shade of blue you have ? Something may be brighter blue and some may be lighter blue. Your marble is lighter than the photo. Colors are very critical with WV swirls. Different cameras and settings, phones, lighting and screens can change the actual true color. For a accurate WV swirl identification many times it comes down to a certain shade of one color. For that accurate id the colors of the picture have to be accurate. If the colors of marbles posted here are different than in hand. Then that leaves room for a wrong id.

I would call it a reject, a error. Call it a Woodie or what ever. No company or name will help the value at all. I would put it in my creek for the great grandkids. My grandkids are old enough they would not pick it up.

White Red Brown - Chocolate Green

At .78 size that eliminates a lot of odds for CAC .

Alley . Mindmush, I wondered what it was that happened to me more and more. Most call me a hard head but maybe that is going to mush ? Like the rest of my body.

Yellow base is a 1931 Alley weak flame. This marble will have the same value if you call it a swirl or a flame. Swirl or flame name will not change the value for this marble.

Pictures are to far away for me to identify much. A MK Cub Scout will have two cut lines. There are old, middle and newer MK Cub Scouts.

This is seen with lots of Ravenswood Novelty marbles. It happens some with all machine marbles made in the US. It is always on the surface, it is always the same color pinkish red, usually on only one side of the marbles. Also on some Jabo marbles. It is not grease on the rolls. Grease would burn off fast. It is not one of a kind. No one has explained to me what causes it. It has to be a reaction with the hot glass 1500 down to 700 degrees F. Maybe from some type of buildup on the rolls or maybe later while the marble is cooling ? Being on the surface points to during the shearing or afterwards someplace down the line before it is total annealed. Maybe someone will solve another mystery for me ?

A Ebay nm with a tiny hit or small moon.

I have never seen or heard of any MFC slag double ingot. All the MFC slags were hand gathered. Why would a person gather enough glass on a rod for double the size of the marble they planned to produce. Plus the gathered glass was tipped and flowed from rod, then cut from the rod in the amount of glass needed for the size marble needed. MFC hand gathered slags were rolled out one at a time. Double ingots happen from 100% machine made marbles produced at 50 to 300 per minute. Double ingot marbles are errors. They are usually to large for the roll grove and stick together with another marble in the roll grove next to it. They are usually out of round, a crease or roll mark around near the middle of the marble. Because the hot glass glob is to large for the roll grove size.

I am still trying to save and transfer over 6000 marble pictures of twenty years from a broken screen laptop. This is not the first time. Backup, and another backup. Have a yearly or monthly backup and stored someplace different and secure. Never ever trust one electronic device or place to store years of work. Also right now getting old floppy disc pictures, finally opened and transferred to at least two different types or places of storage. Even with hard copy prints, better have second set of copies secured in a different place.

Very few Popeye's were dug at any of the Akro digs, compared to the numbers of other Akro marbles. What would be a insane color combo ? There are several three color hybrids, some rare four color hybrids. I don' think that I have seen any Popeye's with five other colors, other than the white. I don't think there were any good amount of hybrid Popeye's dug. Of course every digger said the Popeye's were where no one had ever dug. Under the adjacent school football field.

All good points. One problem with people paying double triple or five times what a actual marble is worth to many collectors. Is that once they discover and they will, what they could have purchased the same marble for at another source. They get disappointed and discouraged with marble collecting and marble people. No one likes paying three or five times what they could have paid for the same thing with a little more effort. If you buy a new car from the first dealership you go to. Then you should not blame the dealership in the next town if you could have got it there at one third less. But people do it and they want to place the blame anyplace other than their own self. We can try to educate and help with values. But the final decision is up to each buyer. I have seen this cycle go up and down. Once enough people find out they are not happy with some past purchases. The cycle and prices for common marbles will drop again. But those buyers will be disappointed with collecting marbles. Buying or selling marbles is such a small part of marble collecting. After you have bought and or sold enough numbers of marbles. You realize that there is more to marble collecting than just the marbles. A long list, it is the hunt, the competition, the history of the marbles and their makers, the many people, the collecting of anything, It brings people together, something they enjoy together, it can be near or far, something in common. So what that is worth to each collector has to be decided by each collector. Collect what you like. But if you pay to much do not blame the other collectors or the hobby. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. As for the marbles that glow. It may be important to some and not to others. Old and new marbles both can glow and do. It does not make many ,if any at marbles any more valuable to myself. Some were made this way on purpose as standard production. But the vast majority were not done on purpose. How many blacklights were around and in use during 1930 ? Did the kids have blacklights in 1940-1950. I sure did not. Not until the late 1960's did I even know what a blacklight was. The majority of marbles which glow do so because the cullet they were made from glowed before it was a marble. If it glows it has odds of being Akro, that is false. Akro made a way many more marbles that do not glow than the ones which do. I think all companies made more non glowing marbles than ones that do glow. If it glows it is old, false again. Certain marbles should glow to be a certain collectable or named marble. Such as a Akro Lemonade or a Alley Pistachio, and many more. They can glow different colors for different reasons. What is in the glass and what kind of light you may be using. If you see just a blue cast all over the marble it is a reflection. If the marble has white and other dark colors, the white may reflect blue but the glass may not be uv reactive. Most marbles that are uv reactive have strong reaction. Of course there will be some with small narrow or thin lines that react to uv. But like most when certain things get small it is not that important or changing and value. The vast majority of marbles if they glow or they do not glow will not have much affect with most collectors on the value, unless it is children. I have collectors from many different states to my house each year. Very few ever bring their blacklight with them. I take one to the shows with me but most times I forget it in the room. That is how important it is. I may not go back to get the blacklight. But I will go back to get my light, new batteries or a loupe. A blacklight may be needed or help to identify certain WV swirl marbles. But if you look at 5000 WV swirls. You may need a blacklight to confirm one, maybe two. So this is just a few reasons that the blacklight is a tool that I use but not in the top three or four of my list of needs for looking at marbles. Size is more important to me than if it glows or not. Size can narrow many identifications down to certain machine made companies. We should as experienced collectors try to educate or help other collectors new or old, with values of marbles, as best we can and as we know. Buy what you like, pay what you like. But do not blame marble collectors.

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I agree the original is no Citrus and no Peltier for me. More like Akro.