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#1 is not a Heaton. I see one cut line for sure. But I cannot see enough detail to say what it is for sure.

Currently a nm+ to mint range true Alley Calligraphy is going for anywhere from $200.00 to over $500.00. Size and color combinations makes a difference. I offered $250.00 for a certain one at the Canton show last year. The same marble was there again this year. I offered $300.00 this year. Steve Smith(smitty)said no that he had already been offered $500.00 . He did not sell it. It will probably be higher next year. It was 11/16 and a odd nice color combination, not in the Salesman sample case. I see them listed one Ebay, but very few are what I consider actual Calligraphy's. All of them in the salesman sample case are 11/16 size. They were made in 5/8 and 11/16 size. I have seen only one 3/4 inch.

Great keepsake ! Nice frame, I would have never thought of that. That would be nice for some of my old motorcycle dirt bike years pictures.

Nothing like a Vitro Helmet style marble. A Vitro helmet is 2/3 white with a colored stripe front to back ,near the center of the helmet. Each helmet has a colored face. There is no white football helmet with a stripe on the above marble. No colored face in the front of the helmet.

For sure, not Jackson. Jackson's has no base like this or this swirl color combo. Jackson's

Some Jabo runs had 25 or 50 different color combinations. I was a investor and present in over 100 of the Jabo 3/4 inch special investor runs, from 2008 to 2012.

Not Pistachio. Alley Pistachio

Nothing in this group of six above has anything close to a bifrucated marble base glass. The original second marble is a Jabo or D.A.S. with the typical roll marks on one pole, because it did not spin correct in the roll grooves. D.A.S. had this problem big for about the first three years of production.

Akro Peltier

Akro

I not sure why, but Peltier keeps jumping in my head. Probably because I don't have any other company left. I know they made a few (not many) Corals. Different companies Corals end up with some pink along with the coral or orange and transparent green . I just have problems putting it with Vitro, Akro, and for sure not Alley or Champion. I think it is a USA marble. I keep going back to Peltier or CAC Peltier used about every color possible. It has the bubbles (seedy) base glass. I think the cut lines fit with Peltier . It is a clear base, not transparent green base like most corals. ?????? It would be a keeper for me, just to find out who made it.

It happens to all of us, and it will again. It is not easy to stay cool and calm 365 days. Spend enough time with something and sooner or later it will not go as you planned or hoped for. Words can many times be taken different ways or different meanings on different days, by different people. Marbles still make more smiles than frowns.

I guess that I also got lost some place above ? I thought the discussion went to Master or possible Vitro ? Then maybe a messed up Vitro Helmet. Then comments that if Vitro even had marbles with black. I guess that I am mixed up on cut line shapes. I have never associated a V shaped cutter pull, or V trait, with Peltier or Vitro cut lines. I have always seen Peltier, Vitro and Akro as very straight and or slightly curved or rounded cut lines. I thought Master cut lines were very similar to Imperial cut lines, which are very deep curve U or V and the opposite cut line is very pointed. Oh well, I guess to much information can be a problem. If needed it is not problem to cut the opinions, info, and pictures back to far less. The bottom line or end result is label your marble anything you want to. Sorry if your thread got hijacked.

I have been to the Hardys collection or museum probably four to six times or more a year for the last fifteen years or more. Roger did not talk to anyone with Akro when that box was filled. I was the one who took Stephen Bahr to the Hardys. I think Roger has one of these box sets. It would be very unusual if he did not. This box was filled in Akron Ohio before Akro made the move to Clarksburg WV. It was filled with MFC hand gathered marbles probably before Akro ever produced any marbles. I think the time frame or years posted here are accurate. The marbles were made by MFC, packaged and sold by Akro Agate of Akro Ohio about 1912-1914. American Machine Made Marbles book page 8. Around 1912, Akro Agate moved to a machine shop in East Exchange Street Akro Ohio. Only a handful of known Akro packages made for them while in Akron Ohio are known to exist. In 1911 Akro adopted their logo the flying crow through a larger letter A holding a marble in its beak. and a marble in each claw. The first MFC marbles purchased by Akro were $3.00 per thousand, five per tube, sold retail for 8 cents. I don't think Akro packaged marbles in box sets until probably around 1912. By late 1914 Akro was making marbles in Clarksburg WV. These were also slag type marbles, sold five in a box set.

That is my best guess. Many packaged marbles were a free give away if you bought another product. I remember a red white and blue cardboard 25 gallon drum setting between the local Esso gas station gas pumps. If you got a fill up of 15 or more gallons. A kid in the car got to scoop up one hand full of Marble King marbles from the drum for free. Lucky it was before my sister was born in 1959. So I was the only one to scoop up marbles. I was always watching Dad's truck gas gauge. He did not have to worry about getting low on gas. But then gas was about 20 cents a gallon, they pumped it, checked the oil and cleaned the windshield, plus free marbles. They wanted your business. Now they got us to do it all and not any free give aways. Just listen to us, it will be better for you. Use the self check out at Walmart. It will be better for us. Place your order on your phone or the screen at McDonalds. It will be better for you, easier and faster. No need for contact with a human. It will be better for you, easier, faster. I missed getting one of those MK red white and blue drums on Ebay a few years back. Have never seen another one. I should have bid double what I did. Well maybe not ? Not many people who would even know what it was or used for. About 95% of The Davis Marble Works marbles went to Puerto Rico. All in red mesh bags. If you bought a certain doll in Puerto Rico, you received a mesh bag of Davis swirl marbles for free. The soda pop bottle hangers were free marbles. I also helped Mom buy the soda pop back in the 1950's. I could drink about any of it, if I got free marbles. They wanted your or the parents business. Return the glass bottles for a refund, 2 cents, then 3 cents, then 5 cents. Then aluminum and now plastic will be better for you, easier and faster. Lots of free marbles stories.

I think two Champion swirls and a Akro patch.

Alley from the Pennsboro location. No black, just white base and blue. Trying to be but not Calligraphy. A weak wanna be Calligraphy that did not get enough blue coverage for a good Calligraphy. Calligraphy style but just not enough. Not even near half price of a good Calligraphy. Could be early when the blue was first added ? Or late as the blue was running low or empty.

These transparent peach, flesh and white swirls were made by many companies. The lighting in pictures can change an id on these big time. There are very small difference in the shades of color with these. They were made by Champion, Ravenswood, Heaton ,Alox, Cairo, Alley, CAC, Jackson, Davis, etc. If the white glows it is most likely from Davis Marble Works.

Yes the second one is a Heaton Volcano. The original very first picture is very typical of Heaton and Cairo Novelty . The tadpole or that ear. Not all but probably 30-40% of all Heaton's will have it.

Both 100% Heatons.

Ture black is rare with marbles. But it is there., Break them and find out. Vitro did have some but very little true black. The helmet is one of them. The black helmets are very hard to find

Thanks for the 2 cents. Where do we send it ? Thanks

I disagree with the one on Grandpa's site being a Shortcake. I do not see enough light tan or creme color. I do not see enough red thinning to the pink. I don't think strawberry shortcake has orange. Alley Strawbery short cake is a white base with one or two other colors added, red and tan or thin brown. Very little or no clear, usually opaque. The red thins overtop of the white which makes the red look pink. Sometimes that same thin red can spread thin enough over the white to look tan or light brown. I was not there so I am not sure exactly how the Alleys or CAC were made. I have read and been told that both were single stream methods. Glass colors do not blend or mix to make a brand new color. Glass colors do not blend like paint to make a new different color. I have not seen any pictures, diagrams, etc. of any furnace or tank used by Alley or CAC. None that I could see or say what was happening. I would be interested any time as exactly how Alley created the what is called the Shortcake marbles. They are just swirled marbles with Strawberry Shortcake colors. The cake is a light tan, light brown, light yellow, the red is the strawberries and they and the syrup thins to a pink color, The white is the whipped creme or topping. For me the strawberry short cake swirl needs white, red, pink and small amounts of light tan or brown. I do not connect orange at all with strawberry shortcake. I ate strawberries today, I did not see any orange or red/orange. I just do not see enough CAC traits or Akro traits with the op to place it either place. Does the H-G category mean hand gather ? I do not see any hand gathered marbles pictured in this thread. CAC is known for their colors not thinning, bleeding or what ever you label it. They are known for their colors staying true, sharp edges, separated. The op does the opposite of that. There are variations in Alley Shortcake marbles. Of course because they were made at different times and probably different cullet. A Alley swirl with white-red going to pink-light brown. The pink should be connected to the original red. Who mixed colors in one bucket or tank ? Is that a single stream method ? Most or all WV swirl companies used the single stream method. Colors not preheated or heated outside the main furnace ,are added to the inside of one single furnace. Chicken dinner for a good discussion. No doubt some one will lean something, maybe myself.

Champion did not produce any marble over 7/8 inch. Unless it was a error.