Swissmarble Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I hope this will help and Ebay will keep this "auction" running.http://www.ebay.com/itm/281831793376?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649Any other ideas to keep these fakes away from the market ?Ron Buolwww.glasmurmeln.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Great idea! I applaud your efforts and research! Well done, Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Oh I do hope Ebay will let that stay up. Maybe you need to make it clear that if someone does pay the $10,000 they will receive some of the marbles pictured. Just so someone can't report you for it not being a "real" listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Oh I do hope Ebay will let that stay up. Maybe you need to make it clear that if someone does pay the $10,000 they will receive some of the marbles pictured. Just so someone can't report you for it not being a "real" listing. Well, I (luckily) don't have these marbles and so I wouldn't be able to send these marbles. But I really hope that nobody is so nuts to bid for these marbles. Let's hope that ebay does care as less as for the fake-marble auctions. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 It's a great listing. Hopefully it educates hundreds of people ... at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoody Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hopefully people see it on ebay before they bid on the faked antiques. By chance I gave your page a visit some months ago and now I learn you are also active here. Why not adding a link to the marbleconnection on your site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Nice idea - hope you don't get on eBay's bad side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hopefully people see it on ebay before they bid on the faked antiques. By chance I gave your page a visit some months ago and now I learn you are also active here. Why not adding a link to the marbleconnection on your site? Hi Hoody Hey, you are from Germany ? Great, there aren't many collectors around from Europe. About my homepage. I would like to put on some more information in English first because I will promote it here and other places. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hopefully people see it on ebay before they bid on the faked antiques. By chance I gave your page a visit some months ago and now I learn you are also active here. Why not adding a link to the marbleconnection on your site? Well, for the beginning I got a treat-message from the German seller who sold these faked sulphides lately..... But the auction is still running and has already been visit by 137 people, so the information spreads. I wish some people would share my postings on facebook... Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Will do! Shared in four facebook groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Will do! Shared in four facebook groups. great, thank you !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoody Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Hi Hoody Hey, you are from Germany ? Great, there aren't many collectors around from Europe. About my homepage. I would like to put on some more information in English first because I will promote it here and other places. Ron Yes, I am from Germany. But I am not so much interested in collecting old marbles rather let todays mass production run down some tracks. Just give a glance to "Marble Runs & Marble Games". Great idea to put in an english version to your site. There is plenty of information that our international friends hardly can retrieve currently. Hoody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think some of the new Bulgarian marbles are starting to look pretty cool. Do they actually sell for more money because of the bogus back story? Wouldn't they sell even better attributed correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think some of the new Bulgarian marbles are starting to look pretty cool. Do they actually sell for more money because of the bogus back story? Wouldn't they sell even better attributed correctly? Yes, could be. And nobody would complain if they were listed as "contemporary" and not as "antique". But their fakes get better and better and possibly there comes a time when you can't tell the difference between an old marble and their marbles anymore just from a picture. Have a look at this marble. It is one of my nicest marbles, a beautiful single pontil end-of-day marble for which I paid more than $ 1'000.00 a few years ago. I am pretty sure that a lot of people would assume it is a fake marble from Bulgaria when I would try to sell it on ebay. And eventually this will affect the value of most old marbles and will keep away potential new collectors from this hobby. And this would affect prices even more. My two cents. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 That is a contemporary marble though, is it not? ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orbboy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I have some pics of some of the types they are trying to fake. I was going to put them up but then thought that i would just be helping them see what they are doing wrong. Should i post them? Great auction by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 That is a contemporary marble though, is it not? ^^ No, it is old. I have some nice single pontil end-of-day marbles and this is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 So beautiful. It brings things home when it's confused with modern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Do any of those marbles have the wear on them one would expect to see if they are ove 100 years old? Can we see the pontils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Marbles are deceiving and look too good to be true. Pontils however are dead giveaway as they look terrible. But one needs to have an idea what they might be looking at. Otherwise buyer would think they found something good. Happened to me at a show. Love my magnifier....My best friend. Can imagine online auction, newbee and people will be taken for their hard earned cash. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Do any of those marbles have the wear on them one would expect to see if they are ove 100 years old? Can we see the pontils? Yes, they have light wear and pontils and if I have time I will make some pictures later. But perhaps this pic will be proof enough ? At least for that marble ? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 OK, here is a pic of the pontils and some detailled pics of the colorful end-of-day marbles which show its surface. It has very little damage and some small surface flaws from the making. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 They are great marbles, did the marbles come from the same source, maybe the same maker, the pontils look very similar, also the way the glass was worked looks similar in all the marbles?, that's not to say they are old or not, just to say in a group of such marbles, would there not be quite a variation in Pontil marks? Ps also you can pick out at least one colour from each marble which is shared with another in the group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 They are great marbles, did the marbles come from the same source, maybe the same maker, the pontils look very similar, also the way the glass was worked looks similar in all the marbles?, that's not to say they are old or not, just to say in a group of such marbles, would there not be quite a variation in Pontil marks? Ps also you can pick out at least one colour from each marble which is shared with another in the group? They came from totally different sources: - The large blue one was sold by Marblealan about 6 years ago - The red (with white loop) I purchased about 5 years ago from an antique dealer here in Switzerland together with a bunch of other handmade swirls (he doesn't know much about marbles and found them all together in a thrift store) - The blue/red and the red/white/yellow one I bought and a flea market together with many swirls about 5 years ago - And the colorful one I bought on Ebay Germany about 4 years ago together with about 20 other antique marbles About the colors: Difficult to say, to me they all look about the same, but I am not very good in seeing such small color-differences. I know two collectors from the Netherlands (I think they are both in this forum too) who have more or less similar marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Hi again, great info, the 2 you bought together, really do sit together, I sold an Onionskin, not a blotty EOD like the one you have, but the colours were a good match, I've seen a large Blue EOD similar to the one you have which was sold as a group of 5-6 a few years ago for a lot of money, like you say, if you listed those on ebay, I don't think I'd bid with confidence on buying as antique marbles? They just don't seem quite right to me, sorry, tin hat on at the ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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