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So, ' these Circus' [Photo below] are not mine. Gerhard Bäz 'gb.antik' offered to sell them to me quite a few years ago. Probably in 2004-5 when I was trying to see if he had seen more Double tunnels, but he'd only had 1 which I'd already bought from him. This was his reply to my interest in the D tunnel and what he'd come across, when he thought made and where: 

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I bought this marble  [Double Tunnel] on a flea market here in Germany and would date it from the early 1930's. Such machine made marbles were manufactured in Lauscha and the surrounding areas only until 1938, before WWII. Some factory were active also in other parts of Germany, as in Saxonia and Bavaria

.This is one of a few types he had. 

The infamous 'Circus' striped opaques: 

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46 minutes ago, Dave 13 said:

Wow that’s a big Onionskin chad 

Thanks for posting that rare board David 

I got more Bennington‘s the big one in the 1st pic is 1 1/4 inch 👍

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Nice Dave   :thup:

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OK gonna warn ya before hand, this is gonna be a long one. I sold this set (a big mistake) in the auction I had in 09, So for this "Thüringen Thursday a complete set of solid cores w/ the board and box.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN COME UP W/   A CLOSE MANUFACTURE DATE DAVE ?? I HAVE SOME IDEA BUT KNOW ONCE YOU SEE THE INSIDE LABEL YOU"LL NAIL IT DOWN PRETTY CLOSE.

BOX COVER

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INSIDE COVER

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ALL ON THE Original BOARD, I HAD A POWDER BLUE SOLID CORE TO FILL THE CENTER HOLE BUT COULDN'T LOCATE THE PIX !!

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SIX SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES,11/16ths to 47/64ths

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FOUR SAME CANE ORANGE SOLID CORES, ALL A BIT BIGGER THAN 11/16ths

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THREE GREEN SOLID CORES ALL APROXIMATELY 21/32nds

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THREE SAME CANE WHITE SOLID CORES ALL BETWEEN 11/16ths &B 45/64ths

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THREE SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES, ALL a TOUCH OVER 11/16ths

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TWO BLUE SOLID CORES, 11/16ths

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TWO RED SOLID CORES, BETWEEN 11/16ths & 45/64ths

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Two SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES, 23/32nds & 11/16ths

 

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11/16ths GREEN SOLID CORE

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21/32nds LIGHT GREEN SOLID CORE

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11/16ths YELLOW SOLID CORE

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ANOTHER 11/16ths YELLOW SOLID CORE

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YET ANOTHER, 11/16ths

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21/32nds ORANGE SOLID CORE

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On 9/15/2022 at 10:11 AM, Jeff54 said:

So, ' these Circus' [Photo below] are not mine. Gerhard Bäz 'gb.antik' offered to sell them to me quite a few years ago. Probably in 2004-5 when I was trying to see if he had seen more Double tunnels, but he'd only had 1 which I'd already bought from him. This was his reply to my interest in the D tunnel and what he'd come across, when he thought made and where: 

.This is one of a few types he had. 

The infamous 'Circus' striped opaques: 

2134010653_CircusStripedopaquesGerhardBzgb.antik.jpg.0c5169160c6d4fc3f34ee2d3ccce8434.jpg

Cool looking mibs thx for sharing the pic 

 

On 9/15/2022 at 10:15 AM, Chad G. said:

Nice Dave   :thup:

Thanks Chad 

 

16 hours ago, crashbelt said:

I thought maybe a red white and blue theme to mark our royal ceremony on Monday.image.thumb.jpeg.859897ea19fab89d0b8d43fa11a5e2b8.jpeg

nice I’m sure we all like that red mica 

 

1 hour ago, Chad G. said:

OK gonna warn ya before hand, this is gonna be a long one. I sold this set (a big mistake) in the auction I had in 09, So for this "Thüringen Thursday a complete set of solid cores w/ the board and box.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN COME UP W/   A CLOSE MANUFACTURE DATE DAVE ?? I HAVE SOME IDEA BUT KNOW ONCE YOU SEE THE INSIDE LABEL YOU"LL NAIL IT DOWN PRETTY CLOSE.

BOX COVER

image.png.87d52ac48c0f4a9d76c7e4069472751b.png

INSIDE COVER

image.thumb.png.2cca37658adf131db78fc2b80a97a276.png

ALL ON THE Original BOARD, I HAD A POWDER BLUE SOLID CORE TO FILL THE CENTER HOLE BUT COULDN'T LOCATE THE PIX !!

image.thumb.png.e889dd3a76251f56cf070406136054a5.png

SIX SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES,11/16ths to 47/64ths

image.png.14d8da4fe2970afe94e8bce998845982.png

FOUR SAME CANE ORANGE SOLID CORES, ALL A BIT BIGGER THAN 11/16ths

image.png.0bcd5098340940fce271578e62bb1586.png

THREE GREEN SOLID CORES ALL APROXIMATELY 21/32nds

image.png.6efbd1722ed4dc20be3bee043cc356b0.png

THREE SAME CANE WHITE SOLID CORES ALL BETWEEN 11/16ths &B 45/64ths

image.png.9ef261c3e4893b5bbfad70d0b773cd49.png

THREE SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES, ALL a TOUCH OVER 11/16ths

image.png.380295d56d3cf3759cce8d66ac0847a5.png

TWO BLUE SOLID CORES, 11/16ths

image.png.eb1a6fee8d3246ff274a6cee0814e0af.png

TWO RED SOLID CORES, BETWEEN 11/16ths & 45/64ths

image.png.3f0a614bf2eefef40c43d38041bc40aa.png

Two SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES, 23/32nds & 11/16ths

 

image.png.603d00e4fe150b9ab0796ea9bfb7fef2.png

11/16ths GREEN SOLID CORE

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21/32nds LIGHT GREEN SOLID CORE

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11/16ths YELLOW SOLID CORE

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ANOTHER 11/16ths YELLOW SOLID CORE

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YET ANOTHER, 11/16ths

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21/32nds ORANGE SOLID CORE

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killer HM,s Chad ,at least they were yours ,I have sold a few killer mibs 🤑and me myself and I know that they were mine at one time 

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20 hours ago, Chad G. said:

OK gonna warn ya before hand, this is gonna be a long one. I sold this set (a big mistake) in the auction I had in 09, So for this "Thüringen Thursday a complete set of solid cores w/ the board and box.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN COME UP W/   A CLOSE MANUFACTURE DATE DAVE ?? I HAVE SOME IDEA BUT KNOW ONCE YOU SEE THE INSIDE LABEL YOU"LL NAIL IT DOWN PRETTY CLOSE.

BOX COVER

image.png.87d52ac48c0f4a9d76c7e4069472751b.png

INSIDE COVER

image.thumb.png.2cca37658adf131db78fc2b80a97a276.png

ALL ON THE Original BOARD, I HAD A POWDER BLUE SOLID CORE TO FILL THE CENTER HOLE BUT COULDN'T LOCATE THE PIX !!

image.thumb.png.e889dd3a76251f56cf070406136054a5.png

SIX SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES,11/16ths to 47/64ths

image.png.14d8da4fe2970afe94e8bce998845982.png

FOUR SAME CANE ORANGE SOLID CORES, ALL A BIT BIGGER THAN 11/16ths

image.png.0bcd5098340940fce271578e62bb1586.png

THREE GREEN SOLID CORES ALL APROXIMATELY 21/32nds

image.png.6efbd1722ed4dc20be3bee043cc356b0.png

THREE SAME CANE WHITE SOLID CORES ALL BETWEEN 11/16ths &B 45/64ths

image.png.9ef261c3e4893b5bbfad70d0b773cd49.png

THREE SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES, ALL a TOUCH OVER 11/16ths

image.png.380295d56d3cf3759cce8d66ac0847a5.png

TWO BLUE SOLID CORES, 11/16ths

image.png.eb1a6fee8d3246ff274a6cee0814e0af.png

TWO RED SOLID CORES, BETWEEN 11/16ths & 45/64ths

image.png.3f0a614bf2eefef40c43d38041bc40aa.png

Two SAME CANE YELLOW SOLID CORES, 23/32nds & 11/16ths

 

image.png.603d00e4fe150b9ab0796ea9bfb7fef2.png

11/16ths GREEN SOLID CORE

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21/32nds LIGHT GREEN SOLID CORE

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11/16ths YELLOW SOLID CORE

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ANOTHER 11/16ths YELLOW SOLID CORE

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YET ANOTHER, 11/16ths

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21/32nds ORANGE SOLID CORE

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Well you got me going this time Chad.

The Ilex Works in the Stoke Newington area of London was built for the manufacture of a huge variety of board games sold by R Turner - latest reference I find is 1947.

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Here's a picture of the building, with words carved into the stone lintel above the entrance saying "Ilex Works 1900" - so that's the earliest possible date for your board. I have 3 boards with Ilex Works origins - 2 roughly made boards with poor quality clearies and a much later bakelite board with bakelite marbles.

So early 20th Century for your board - my guess 1900-1914 when German production of handmades was disrupted if not curtailed by the 1st WW.

The clear glass simple designs of your single coloured solid core mibs (I've seen referred to as candle cores) with rough ground pontils also points to later period. But this is the first time I've been able to dates these to 20th Century which is quite exciting. They are quite common.

 

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Here's a set I have with many candle cores - also on a quite crude board and sold by manufacturer Chad Valley (I have the box) from Harborne near Birmingham. Interesting because it shows that the marble makers in Thuringen exported to more than one British games board maker.

Finally, the spooky thing is that I know and have been inside the Ilex Works building!!! About 15 years ago it was used as a rehearsal space for bands (my other hobby) and I played in there a couple of times. It was very run down and I don't know what happened since - I'll see next time I'm down that way. 

Long answer Chad but you did ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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59 minutes ago, crashbelt said:

Well you got me going this time Chad.

The Ilex Works in the Stoke Newington area of London was built for the manufacture of a huge variety of board games sold by R Turner - latest reference I find is 1947.

image.thumb.png.d32611dc50e2d6791b0ddb868f8ceba3.png

Here's a picture of the building, with words carved into the stone lintel above the entrance saying "Ilex Works 1900" - so that's the earliest possible date for your board. I have 3 boards with Ilex Works origins - 2 roughly made boards with poor quality clearies and a much later bakelite board with bakelite marbles.

So early 20th Century for your board - my guess 1900-1914 when German production of handmades was disrupted if not curtailed by the 1st WW.

The clear glass simple designs of your single coloured solid core mibs (I've seen referred to as candle cores) with rough ground pontils also points to later period. But this is the first time I've been able to dates these to 20th Century which is quite exciting. They are quite common.

 

20220217_150024.thumb.jpeg.3d252edbc2cfc3e4ea4d8777205f2711.jpeg

Here's a set I have with many candle cores - also on a quite crude board and sold by manufacturer Chad Valley (I have the box) from Harborne near Birmingham. Interesting because it shows that the marble makers in Thuringen exported to more than one British games board maker.

Finally, the spooky thing is that I know and have been inside the Ilex Works building!!! About 15 years ago it was used as a rehearsal space for bands (my other hobby) and I played in there a couple of times. It was very run down and I don't know what happened since - I'll see next time I'm down that way. 

Long answer Chad but you did ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great, thanks David, more than I could have ever asked. Thanks again for goin the extra mile, pix and all !! I know those sets and especially any amount of same cane are VVHTF over here, the price has been on the steady increase for the last several years up till now it, seams C19 has put the temporary cabosh on things.  Simple is good !! BTW nice board of mibs ya got there   :thup:

Was wondering if the Powder blue solid cores were also HTF where you are ?? I only had one !!

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1 hour ago, Chad G. said:

Great, thanks David, more than I could have ever asked. Thanks again for goin the extra mile, pix and all !! I know those sets and especially any amount of same cane are VVHTF over here, the price has been on the steady increase for the last several years up till now it, seams C19 has put the temporary cabosh on things.  Simple is good !! BTW nice board of mibs ya got there   :thup:

Was wondering if the Powder blue solid cores were also HTF where you are ?? I only had one !!

Yep they're quite rare - I only have the two 11/16" powder blues on the Chad Valley set and one 9/16" on another set. I'm lucky that the Chad Valley set has white, yellow, green, orange, red, light and dark blue mibs. I saw a lilac coloured on for sale once - wish I'd bid higher, only one I ever saw.

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7 minutes ago, crashbelt said:

Yep they're quite rare - I only have the two 11/16" powder blues on the Chad Valley set and one 9/16" on another set. I'm lucky that the Chad Valley set has white, yellow, green, orange, red, light and dark blue mibs. I saw a lilac coloured on for sale once - wish I'd bid higher, only one I ever saw.

"Thanks David" I've only seen 2  powder blue in hand myself and only of which I owned, the 11/16ths I got it along w/ the set as an extra.

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I posted the smaller version of Jaques' Numerical Puzzle recently, with 9 numbered glazed china marbles. So here's the 16 hole version.

Same stamp on the base dating it to 1850s/60s. I'm very lucky to have collected complete examples of both versions. - these are really museum pieces!! I'd be interested if other collectors own, or have seen, these in the US. I seem to recall the late Bert Cohen having a set. 

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I know David likes Mica so here's the biggest and chunkiest amber mica I've ever had @ 31/32nds, from the 09 auction for this "Thüringen Thursday"  Not even a flea on it only as made creases, looks like they were acquired while it was being twisted off the cane. Not single pontil, a melted pigtail on one end but still HTF in this condition.

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6 hours ago, crashbelt said:

I posted the smaller version of Jaques' Numerical Puzzle recently, with 9 numbered glazed china marbles. So here's the 16 hole version.

Same stamp on the base dating it to 1850s/60s. I'm very lucky to have collected complete examples of both versions. - these are really museum pieces!! I'd be interested if other collectors own, or have seen, these in the US. I seem to recall the late Bert Cohen having a set. 

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Another Killer board David, you're makin me drool   :blink:  Never even seen em before  !!

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