Brick mib with av?

[KateSo]

I posted this marble to eBay the other day. Someone messaged me last night said none have AV. Maybe not but there’s definitely something on the surface that’s gives off shiny flashes in the light. The internet gives completely different answers when researching . Any help please. TIA . First few pics were taken under different lighting.58”

[VaMarbles]

I’m not sure of a Brick here, not sure on the maker…maybe Master seams?  Would like to hear others opinions  

 

sometime specks on the marble will look like AV but mostly they are flea bites or other surface impressions. Never seen any brick with AV but maybe someone has?   Sorry

[Alan]

Focus and exposure aren't good, but from those pics - not a brick.  And bricks don't have "aventurine".  Reflections can be anything including subsurface stars from impact/pressure.

If someone looks hard enough hoping for "aventurine", they will find it where it doesn't exist.

"Aventurine" desire is becoming a 17th century Dutch tulip craze thing.

[KateSo]

11 minutes ago, Alan said:

Focus and exposure aren't good, but from those pics - not a brick.  And bricks don't have "aventurine".  Reflections can be anything including subsurface stars from impact/pressure.

If someone looks hard enough hoping for "aventurine", they will find it where it doesn't exist.

"Aventurine" desire is becoming a 17th century Dutch tulip craze thing.

Sooo you’re saying in essence I’m seeing something that isn’t there lol no, let me rephrase after receiving the message this morning I looked at it again outside (in the daylight) it’s not from damage. And again there’s something on the surface that gives off shine when hit by light in different angles. I don’t know why my phone pics aren’t good on here . I just found my camera charger. If I could post a video it would be easier to see when rotating in the light. I’ll upload better when I take them. 

[Alan]

1 hour ago, KateSo said:

Sooo you’re saying in essence I’m seeing something that isn’t there lol no, let me rephrase after receiving the message this morning I looked at it again outside (in the daylight) it’s not from damage. And again there’s something on the surface that gives off shine when hit by light in different angles. I don’t know why my phone pics aren’t good on here . I just found my camera charger. If I could post a video it would be easier to see when rotating in the light. I’ll upload better when I take them. 

If I am reading it correctly, your original post calls the presence of "aventurine" into some question.  While I don't see it as a brick - if you say its a brick with "aventurine", then its a brick with "Aventurine".  Assuming this assertion, then its not clear (to me anyway) what this post is about.  But I'll go with your assertion on it's ID.

[KateSo]

21 hours ago, Alan said:

If I am reading it correctly, your original post calls the presence of "aventurine" into some question.  While I don't see it as a brick - if you say its a brick with "aventurine", then its a brick with "Aventurine".  Assuming this assertion, then its not clear (to me anyway) what this post is about.  But I'll go with your assertion on it's ID.

 

[KateSo]

That’s what I was referring too, I came here to ask if anyone had seen one bc the message I received was rude. 

[Alan]

I'll go with your assertion that it is a brick with aventurine.

[akroorka]

3 hours ago, KateSo said:

That’s what I was referring too, I came here to ask if anyone had seen one bc the message I received was rude. 

Slow down KateSo,
I get it, the passion for an ID that you think is right, we all have it.
Rudeness is not a topic here from anyone. If you are convinced, well why post it for a further evaluation?
I have been called wrong plenty of times after much research. I just get Piss## at myself. 
Marbles ID can get quite frustrating, the quote that you show is regarding stone Agates.
I have researched plenty of marbles over the years—even the game marbles. The one that you show is a Master Made Game marble.
I/We welcome the passion that you show.
Sometime the truth is a hard swallow. You will always get the truth here at “The Marble Connection”.
I would be willing to trade you a “Brick” for this one just to settle you down. They are only marbles after all.
I appreciate your passion and contributions here.
Sometimes we must lay down and lick our wounds as far as ID goes. Live and learn for sure—keep an open mind, never be embarrassed.
Keep on Marbling!
Marble—On!!

[Melissa]

Not a brick. No aventurine. Looks like a common game marble. 

[KateSo]

3 hours ago, akroorka said:

Slow down KateSo,
I get it, the passion for an ID that you think is right, we all have it.
Rudeness is not a topic here from anyone. If you are convinced, well why post it for a further evaluation?
I have been called wrong plenty of times after much research. I just get Piss## at myself. 
Marbles ID can get quite frustrating, the quote that you show is regarding stone Agates.
I have researched plenty of marbles over the years—even the game marbles. The one that you show is a Master Made Game marble.
I/We welcome the passion that you show.
Sometime the truth is a hard swallow. You will always get the truth here at “The Marble Connection”.
I would be willing to trade you a “Brick” for this one just to settle you down. They are only marbles after all.
I appreciate your passion and contributions here.
Sometimes we must lay down and lick our wounds as far as ID goes. Live and learn for sure—keep an open mind, never be embarrassed.
Keep on Marbling!
Marble—On!!

Slow down.? All I did was ask a question and showed him where i read it says they’re handmade with tiny light flashes. Either way, I don’t care 🤷‍♀️ I just don’t like to title them as CAC Peltier Akro Vitro Oxblood Marble online like the rest. ✌🏻☮️

[akroorka]

I am considering ending this post here.

It is my job as a Moderator--my job--enough said.

I like to keep it civilized on the board.

I think that this is a good end to a post with bad reactions.

I hope that we all consider our reactions before we reply to any negativity to our wishes or dreams.

This post will be reported to the rest of the moderators as a potential problem.

Lets end it here---Please.

[Fire1981]

ANTIQUE M.F. CHRISTENSEN and Son Transitional Brick Marble -- Excellent Specimen $39.00 - PicClick 🔥

RAR

[Fire1981]

Just trying to help🔥

RAR

[bumblebee]

@KateSo, I think maybe you meant the message you received on eBay was rude?

This forum is one of the few places on the Internet where you can get honest opinions from people who have handled and scrutinized tens of thousands of marbles for years, sometimes decades.

What others have said so far, which I agree with, is that your marble is a machine made glass marble with surface wear and damage often called flea-bites or perhaps flakes. The sparkles you see are likely from hit marks which create tiny areas of cracked subsurface glass that sparkle the light.

Your shared image about agates is referring to agate marbles, which are mineral spheres, and in that context the old German-made hand-faceted agates are covered in tiny flat surface marks called facets where the grinder pushed the mineral sphere against a large rotating sandstone wheel in order to shape the rough-cut marble into a finer sphere. These facets will indeed reflect light but I would describe those reflections are erratic "wobble" reflections when the marble is turned in bright light, rather than single-point sparkles. Agate marbles can not contain aventurine because aventurine is a special type of glass.

Aventurine glass is uncommon in machine made marbles. I once bought 50lbs (about 4000) of vintage marbles and found only four that contained aventurine. In my collecting experience most aventurine is green, but sometimes black, and rarely blue. Other collectors may have encountered a different order or additional colors.

Aventurine is usually, but not always, dense with tiny shimmer points...almost looks like those NASA photos of deep space, and difficult to photograph.

If you're new to selling marbles, usually the best course of action is to let the photos speak for themselves rather than hazard a guess. Believe me, if your photos are clear and show enough angles, the serious collectors are going to spot the rare or desirable marbles right away.

That doesn't mean you cannot learn to identify certain common types that are easily identified, such as Akro Agate Corkscrews or Peltier Rainbos, but there's still always a risk of misidentification. The archived site JoeMarbles is a good source for photos of certain makers and types.

Also, with eBay fees and shipping so high, it's usually in the seller's best interest to list small lots of marbles rather than individuals, unless you have a pristine hoard of rare marbles. You'll know right away if you have something special because bidders will battle.

I hope that helps.

 

[Carowill]

57 minutes ago, bumblebee said:

@KateSo, I think maybe you meant the message you received on eBay was rude?

This forum is one of the few places on the Internet where you can get honest opinions from people who have handled and scrutinized tens of thousands of marbles for years, sometimes decades.

What others have said so far, which I agree with, is that your marble is a machine made glass marble with surface wear and damage often called flea-bites or perhaps flakes. The sparkles you see are likely from hit marks which create tiny areas of cracked subsurface glass that sparkle the light.

Your shared image about agates is referring to agate marbles, which are mineral spheres, and in that context the old German-made hand-faceted agates are covered in tiny flat surface marks called facets where the grinder pushed the mineral sphere against a large rotating sandstone wheel in order to shape the rough-cut marble into a finer sphere. These facets will indeed reflect light but I would describe those reflections are erratic "wobble" reflections when the marble is turned in bright light, rather than single-point sparkles. Agate marbles can not contain aventurine because aventurine is a special type of glass.

Aventurine glass is uncommon in machine made marbles. I once bought 50lbs (about 4000) of vintage marbles and found only four that contained aventurine. In my collecting experience most aventurine is green, but sometimes black, and rarely blue. Other collectors may have encountered a different order or additional colors.

Aventurine is usually, but not always, dense with tiny shimmer points...almost looks like those NASA photos of deep space, and difficult to photograph.

If you're new to selling marbles, usually the best course of action is to let the photos speak for themselves rather than hazard a guess. Believe me, if your photos are clear and show enough angles, the serious collectors are going to spot the rare or desirable marbles right away.

That doesn't mean you cannot learn to identify certain common types that are easily identified, such as Akro Agate Corkscrews or Peltier Rainbos, but there's still always a risk of misidentification. The archived site JoeMarbles is a good source for photos of certain makers and types.

Also, with eBay fees and shipping so high, it's usually in the seller's best interest to list small lots of marbles rather than individuals, unless you have a pristine hoard of rare marbles. You'll know right away if you have something special because bidders will battle.

I hope that helps.

 

Well spoken and as Art suggested, time to wrap it up!

[Steph]

A brick will be a swirl.  See Rick's link: ANTIQUE M.F. CHRISTENSEN and Son Transitional Brick Marble -- Excellent Specimen $39.00 - PicClick

Your marble is not a swirl.  I agree that it has a Master look to it, or some other maker with Master-like seams.  

With the small size, I also agree with Melissa's assessment that it is a game marble.