Fire1981 Posted Thursday at 03:49 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 03:49 AM Does anyone know if these were intentionally produced knowing the patch would be Pearlized or it was just a “WOW ! How did that happen?” Kind of thing🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted Thursday at 11:32 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 11:32 AM Given the numbers, I'm guessing it was a happy accident. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted Thursday at 06:46 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:46 PM 7 hours ago, Ric said: Given the numbers and annealing fractures, I'm guessing it was a happy accident. FIFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted Thursday at 08:04 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 08:04 PM 1 hour ago, Alan said: FIFY Yeah, that too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted Friday at 12:43 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 12:43 AM Pretty much anything with two colors or more was an experiment. Even if a pair of colors worked for one run, there was no guarantee that the colors would fit the next time. *** The sheen, opacity and surface texture of the green on the PPP was truly unique. Can anyone name another manufacturer with that glass? My vote that this outcome was never planned and a pure accident. *** Are there any shooter sized examples of the PPP? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted Friday at 12:59 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 12:59 AM 15 minutes ago, Shamrock Marbles said: <snip> *** Are there any shooter sized examples of the PPP? I have never seen a shooter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted Friday at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:04 AM Peltier had a formula for pearlized glass. Pearlized patches were produced intentionally, but weren't produced in great numbers due to their tendency to fracture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted Friday at 01:26 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:26 AM 22 minutes ago, IowaMarble said: Peltier had a formula for pearlized glass. Pearlized patches were produced intentionally, but weren't produced in great numbers due to their tendency to fracture. I would be interested in seeing it if you have a reference in print. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted Friday at 01:55 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:55 AM 29 minutes ago, IowaMarble said: Peltier had a formula for pearlized glass. Pearlized patches were produced intentionally, but weren't produced in great numbers due to their tendency to fracture. Wouldn’t argue that any glass manufacturer started with a formula. However, the result was most often different than the original intent. Happy accidents do occur. The adhesive on Post-It Notes was a serendipitous failure. *** How many base colors of PPP are known? Four? White, Blue, Green and Tan? The rare fifth with black base? *** Was there four different runs or one run with four different bases? *** Were PPP found in sets? *** Were PPP dug artifacts? *** What documented sizes are there? Did they tend to run under 5/8”? *** Is the pearl green just a variation of aventurine green? *** Henry Helmer’s formula notes are insightful. Very minute variations in components create varied results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted Friday at 04:37 AM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 04:37 AM This is awesome. So here’s where I’m at. If the Pearlized Patch was compatible with different base glasses there probably have been more produced and marketed. I only know that there are true Pee Wee’s and 5/8ths PPPP. Thanks Shamrock for sharing all of your information and shedding light on Helmer’s formula notes. You make marbles and am sure you have tweeted your formulas as well 🔥 RAR👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted Friday at 12:19 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 12:19 PM 11 hours ago, Fire1981 said: This is awesome. So here’s where I’m at. If the Pearlized Patch was compatible with different base glasses there probably have been more produced and marketed. I only know that there are true Pee Wee’s and 5/8ths PPPP. Thanks Shamrock for sharing all of your information and shedding light on Helmer’s formula notes. You make marbles and am sure you have tweeted your formulas as well 🔥 RAR👍 Fire, I don’t formulate or make glass. My glass comes from various suppliers. I totally respect those that do make glass, because I understand what hurdles they face. Bullseye sells colors in both Tested Compatible 90 COE and Stained glass (not rated). Bullseye starts with a formula intended to make 90 COE Compatible glass for fusing. After the glass is melted and rolled into a sheet, they test for compatibility or fit. If it fits, then it gets their compatibility logo. If not, then they sell it as stained glass. Finally, Bullseye has a disclaimer about their 90 COE Compatible glass. They recommend the artist to do final testing in their studio. In other words, there’s no guarantee. -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted Friday at 12:22 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 12:22 PM 11 hours ago, Alan said: I have never seen a shooter. Thank you. Has anyone seen a double ingot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted Friday at 02:32 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:32 PM I have not seen pearlized shooters or double ingots but I think I recall dug examples, and boxed sets of Peerless Patches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted Friday at 08:23 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:23 PM 18 hours ago, Shamrock Marbles said: The rare fifth with black base? I would love to see one Shamrock--the black based ones. Do not get me wrong--if you have seen one I believe it. The "Pearlized Patch" must have been an experiment that went wrong but due to the colors involved they were a run with different base glass colors tried. Peltier marbles that were dug are as rare as any except for (Master Made--never seen one or heard of one). Patry Denton was a big fan of these--where she got them from? Who knows? Was she in with "Migbar" @Fire1981? I have never seen a bag or box that included them. If anyone saw these in original packaging, it would be @Al Oregon--lets ask him for an opinion here. I recently saw on this board, a corkscrew that looked like it had a "Pearlized" line in the glass--very cool. I just love this stuff. Marble--On!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted Friday at 08:56 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:56 PM 28 minutes ago, akroorka said: 18 hours ago, Shamrock Marbles said: I would love to see one Shamrock--the black based ones. Oh, I have not seen one. There was a reference to a black based pearlized patch on another forum. You’ll definitely will need someone other than me for that fact check! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted Friday at 08:59 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:59 PM 1 minute ago, Shamrock Marbles said: There was a reference to a black based pearlized patch on another forum. I still believe that it exists Shamrock. Do your research and get back to us all. Maybe @Fire1981 has seen one?? Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted Friday at 09:30 PM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 09:30 PM I wish 🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted Friday at 10:23 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:23 PM 50 minutes ago, Fire1981 said: I wish 🔥 I think that I may seen one too Fire--maybe just once! Never in hand--but an image some place. Keep the faith! Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted Saturday at 12:26 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:26 AM I can guarantee I've never seen a pearlized patch on black - if I had, I would certainly remember it! And I don't think I have ever seen a Pearlized Patch in original packaging either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted Saturday at 05:07 AM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:07 AM It would have been in Sami's book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted Saturday at 06:36 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:36 PM On 3/29/2025 at 12:07 AM, Fire1981 said: It would have been in Sami's book. I did not find a photo in that book. I am fallible, and always welcome a guiding hand. UPDATE: Went through the book a third time and realized the paucity of information regarding Peerless Patches. Then realized they weren’t really invited to the party. Here’s a photo of the “Table of Contents”: The only two sections where a PPP would be shown are “9-Rarities” and “14-Original Packaging”. Nope, no samples of Peltier Pearlized Patches are shown. Maybe another book? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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