great info griff,, buck i think we are really talking about a difference between a striped transparent and a snotty that have been called the same thing, heck they both look like quite literally like blue shoe lace one more than the other but both are nice examples, the same name for two mibs is where the fight breaks out, lol,the first mib or the original mib you ask about doesnt seam to have the horseshoe and that cut line is close to your striped trans-the real one,,, i think griffs digging and sharing info is brilliant, two ways to find out info on older mibs, one is packaging the other is the dump sites,, despite the differences they are both killer mibs, can we agree on that,, that exotic or sub whichever name you have on that cool mib,is da bomb, you have some great rollers there buck, thanks for the eye candy,,, bj