bout the only time i saw them big cats are pay lakes and farm ponds....the biggest round here come outta the muskingum at the dam at devula.....on the ohio river go to the heads of the islands and hit the deep holes.......the big cats rouind here love the rotton liver and dough balls....only time we use the big minnies are on trout lines.....in the wild 25-35 lbs but none of them 50lbders except in stocked ponds and pay lakes....griff you go to the heasd of paden island where that tower crosses the river theres a hole there that fishes real good......anythings possioble the rivers been cleaned up in the past 20 years....when i was a kid the river was really polluted by the chemical plants and coal mines....