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if you look at claudia's reply.. 'most of them certainly do' 'most do' yep.... when one says 'most' doesn't that mean that, naturally some don't?. I can't say how one would take an email, but talking person to person on a phone leaves no doubt. IMHO. and since claudia doesn't own a blacklight anymore, she couldn't give an accurate number for percentages. we've never seen a lemonade or limeade that doesn't glow, but the orange ades and some cherryades, and even carnelians, don't. and by construction, yes many of the oxbloods would come into that category. but they were super-ceded in having their own specific names, ie; eggyolk oxblood, blue oxblood, silver etc. and as in the 'ades' you have oxbloods and you have oxblood corks. the whole thing is confusing granted, the point was that some ades do not glow. also remember that the term 'ade' is a collectors term, not an actual akro name.

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no, all the ones in that box were clear. totally crystal clear. it's the whispy white reflecting is all. as I said I can't show a better picture as I dont have anymore. That particular box is pictured, in I believe, marble mania if ya want to sneak a peek there.

and if we really want to get technical here... the usage of 'ade' is a collectors term only. the marble of which we are referring to were boxed and labeled by Akro as 'Moss Agates'. no, the moss agates were not patches until later. So if you collect 'ades' then you would also know this. would a picture on this help? adn the blue and yellow ones we don't call ades. roger puts them in that catagory. and the blueberry ade was anmed by Alan basinet, and a gift to us. just to keep the record straight. In most cases the ones that are fluorescent do command a higher price, and eye appeal has a determining factor as well.

you're very welcome Jon! Here's pictures of Akro merchant ordering catalog. Please excuse the reflections as the pages are under plastic. As you can see, aces are corks. and here's the ringer box. sorry I dont have close ups, as we sold the box, but it is the box shown in the books. the marbles are corks. I will look further for documantaion on these... stay tuned Galen.

an ace has to be a corkscrew. there lies the difference. but we do have carnelian oxbloods that do glow, hard to find~~YES! I have catalogs showing the ace type if anyones interested in seeing it. all we're saying here is for identification purposes, it is totally the construction issue. and we can't argue with what roger (the godfather of Akro) has learned from 40+ years of studying and digging nothing but Akro. Heck he even has all the paperwork on the stuff. for the casual akro collector, it's a tough study to crasp, understandably. And it's just a whole lot easier to assume all ades are fluorescent rather than being specific. But the truth is, not all do. just like all moss patches dont either. clear as mud?

I received an email concerning an Akro orange ade I had listed that was not fluorescent. In the email the person told me that 1, it was a ringer, and 2, it had to be fluorescent to be an ade. First, ringers are corkscrews, clear base, with one color and whispy white. Now, on the other.... 2.The ades, start out like a cork, but end in a swirl pattern, usually. 3. You have the ades that corkscrew, which are called ade corks. 4. The ades are the 'production construction' of the marble. ie; lemonades, limeades, blueberry ades, cherryades,and orangeades. 5. Marbles with the 'ade' construction, blue and eggyolk, the carnelians, and like the blue and white pictured, are manufactured in the same manner. 6. In my picture, you will see examples of each. 7. Not all the marbles in this picture are fluorescent. But if you look at the construction, they are all made the same. 8. And then there's the hybrids(not pictured) In the interest of trying to provide the most accurate information as possible, I gave Roger and Claudia a call this morning to get their thoughts. After a very lengthy conversation with both, they consider the eggyolk and blue, and the carnelians in the ade family. Roger told me that they have ones that are fluorescent, and ones that are not. In one area they dug carnelians and other ades, that were fluorescent, and in another dig, ones that did not. Roger also believes that this could be due to the fact that after WWII, uranium was outlawed to use. (not to say they didnt still use what they had around) And on any given day they could have used whatever glass they had on hand (that wasn't fluorescent). In the picture, there's a carnelian on a clear base, only one I've ever seen. Also the blue and white one is the only example like it I've ver seen. Which leads me to believe that there could be other color combinations in this style. If anyone has some, would sure like to see some pictures! BTW, can you pick out the ones that are not fluorescent? E&D

nice mib!!!! here's a few of ours we would put in that catagory type. yep there's an indian with oxblood there too.lol

BJ. if you want to save picture, just right click and save to your own files.

lol Buddy! your avatar gives me the willies!

here's one of ours. perfect for all hallows eve!!

(roflllll).. cool picture............. they certainly are pretty all together aren't they? gee I wonder who has that board.......

what? no input? was kinda hoping to compare notes..... and see pictures of others. Ernie

hi Chris, and Duffy! these are 13/16". as you can see next to one of those old tavern bowlin balls. good job Duffy!! we never noticed the similarities, but they're there. not as fancy or as thick and detailed.We believe these are gutta percha marbles, some people mistakenly call them papier mache marbles. saw a gutta percha golf ball sell for 10,000. but heck it wasn't purdy like these babies. looked like a golf ball.lol time era, is late 1800's to early 1900's. no one seems to know a whole lot about these, they're very rare. But they were used in games, rather than play, as they are quite light. we'd sure like to have more if anyone has any, for trade or sale. Ernie

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I had forgoetten until my conversation with Del tonight, that Ray used the name 'lewiston' on this board. I'm not sure if many read the post that Ray passed away. thought I'd share just in case someone missed it. Dani

so sorry to hear about Mel. there's 2 more great collectors that we have lost. I just recieved word that one of out IAMC members and long time marble collector millie Morgan passed away. also gone is a somewhat local marble maker and collector Ray Goodnough. (sp?) both enjoyed the hobby very much. Ray always use to stick a new marble in our kids stuff at marble picnics over the years. A very kind and geneous man. Millie was one of our luckiest show raffle winners. I swear, any contest or drawing she entered she won. they will also be greatly missed. D.

is that crap in the glass or aventurine specks?

OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!

no one has asked the question 'who has the machines?' where did the machines go folks? seems to me, at the end of cac's days, how many marble making machines did they have? surely more than one... is there a bluepeint somewhere in the patend office? if someone were to get just one machine, just think of the fun they could have!

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL that's some funny stuff Lloyd!!!

hey chris.... hubby had a few, will try to find, he may have used them for sling shot material. if I can locate, I'll post a picture.

just one more thought...I believe there are some extremely talented glass artists out there that could surely come close enough to the 'real deal' that they could fool an aweful lot of people....especially if they had the right cullet. I dont think one could ever assume that it couldn't be done. Some of the guinea fakes are beautiful imitations, as are the fake clambroths out there too. sure there's going to be some 'real ones', but anytime there's something, anything, that commands a high dollar, there will be fakes, and not just in the marble world. One would have to be incredibly niave to think otherwise.

after much pondering on if this is politically correct for a marble club officer to comment on, I'm going for it! I (we) agree with scott!! and there's a lot of 'old timers' that agree as well. food for thought... about 10-12 years ago, there were indeed fake peltiers being passed off as 'peltier experimentals'. they were made from pelt cullet. A prime example of how fakes can be made and passed off as real. There was a leak in the plan though. they had been introduced into the marble community as a 'tribute to peltier', but several unscrupulous people trid to cash in big time. had they not been originally shown as 'tributes' just imagine how that could have snow balled. I'm not going to say who made them, or who sold them. BUT the fakes are out there, and theres dealers that know they're fake and dont care, the bottom line is the bucks folks. About 15 years ago a gentleman back east purchased a case full of guineas..paid somewhere around 20K. guess what? they were all very nicely done fakes, yep that long ago. so it's not a new story... sooo just to open up another can of worms.... mfc... didnt make red marbles huh? why/ because cullet has never been found? I believe, and I could be wrong here, thats the reasoning behind that statement. anyone getting my drift here? hmmm. recap; no red cullet found in mfc digs, so they never made them. exotic cullet not found, so they did make them.. hello??

thanks Bo!!