Steph

Agreed, oxblood is a shade of red. Blood is red! !! what else?!!!! lololol However, I cannot resist the usual disclaimer: If qualifiers are used judiciously (or implicitly understood), I'm not going to argue when someone uses the name "oxblood" for non-standard examples. I believe the purple here in Windy's photo is derived from aventurine, in the same way as red oxblood. So I will not argue when it is called "purple oxblood". Why is it purple? I don't know. Does it have a blue "contaminant" blending with the copper based glass? Or is it some "ionic" thing? Or what? Whatever the cause, I'm not going to argue with the description "purple oxblood" when Edna uses it to describe the family. (Is this a Hardcore?)

Here are a couple of provocative examples of mine which once upon a time I wished were ox. Now I just want the 2nd one to be understood because it's WEERD! The first is 13/16". click for larger images. The 2nd is 5/8". In both cases, at least some of the red seems opaque at least some of the time but it is transparent or translucent and in some views looks very plain. The 2nd case is especially weird. The red is like a gel. A glistening gel which is hovering in the matrix. How it appears seems to depend on how the light hits it. What are your favorite non-standard (non-opaque and/or non-Haematinum) ox-ish reds in the generally brick-like range?

Almost hate to post a nickel marble after those, but .... well anyway I was looking for a different oddball when I ran across this one, my single seam bumblebee:

No, I haven't learned more about the type of dump it was. Obviously more evidence is needed all around. The Shanghai lead might turn out to be a deadend, but it's a lead nevertheless and shouldn't be dismissed without cause. The similarities between the marbles in the Shanghai group, as a group, are compelling to me, and how that mysterious line pontil type fits into the continuum of pontils in the Shanghai group is intriguing. I say "mysterious" about the pontil, because as of the time of the writing of the pontil page at the Akronmarbles site, it was still a mystery and I'm not aware that the mystery has yet been solved. Also worth noting is how the color on the example of the one at the Akronmarbles page fits Chinese colors. The reverse 9's are pretty interesting too. (which of course my purple one doesn't exhibit, darn it)

Jabo sure made some nice lavender. These are the glowing sort: Is this from Fenton cullet? The first marbles I bought for myself were Jabos and heavy in lavender. Might have been the same run as your box, Bill, which Winlock is selling. I remember all those colors represented, plus a cool caramel-looking mib, and I think maybe a red, white, blue and brown. mabye. ?

It's not for sale. It is only a fragment of a marble in any case. It was excavated by archaelogists. The paper to which I linked is a scholarly work published by the Canterbury Archaelogical Trust. It was part of their annual report 10 years ago. Title and author -- Losing your marbles: Post-medieval gaming marbles of pottery and stone from Canterbury excavations, by John Cotter There does not appear to have been any untoward agenda in proving anything about the marbles. Sometimes marbles are used to help date archaelogical sites. In this case, the author seemed to be going in more of the reverse direction, and was trying to learn more about the marbles in their own right. At this point in time in England apparently there was some thought that the marbles had been made in England and the author is making a case for them being imported. The opening paragraphs of the article: I take the "well-stratified" qualifier to indicate that these marbles were from old levels of the site, identified levels, and not tossed willy nilly into the area in the way Jabos were tossed into the Jackson site. Sue, I wouldn't have made the connection between the Pennsylvania Dutch and this one, but now that you mention it, the semicircles at the equator do look very much alike.

Here are a couple of items I've already posted elsewhere. They belong in this thread too. This is a great article from Pic magazine. July 1939. At this point Pink apparently still considers the Scripps-Howard tournament to be the national tournament. That's the one he donates a college scholarship to. He has already involved with local tournaments then but I do not think they were named after him yet. (click to enlarge) . . . . In 1941 a newspaper announcement for Pink's tournament mentions Ruth Lapham, the cutie from the last photo, in order to encourage girls to enter. But according to a Coronet magazine piece in 1946, Pink "goes white" at the thought of girls playing. Marbles had survived for ages, but a girl winning the national title might bring it all down, he says. I'll leave you to analyze the rest of the article ... or just enjoy it. And here is a1940 flyer published in connection with the Marble King tournament at the World's Fair, discussing his past tournament involvement, the design of the trophy handed out in 1940, and tying everything to 1941 sales. (click to enlarge) Large print version of the page 3 (684 kb) I first posted that flyer in Dinkybus' thread about his Marble King trophy. That is the thread which got me hooked on this stuff: Marble King Trophy, Berry Pink Tournament Item

Alley made dishes.

Yeah, it's fun to have one's efforts made fun of. Sorry I didn't get that. I'm just slow on the uptake. Here ya go. I'm laughing. haha :icon_lmao: -steph right wing extremist

This one sports some yellow. Brighter than the pic shows.

Here's a mystery mib of mine. For the longest while I thought it was ceramic or paper mache. (lol ... I was confused with Gutta Perchas) Now I realize that color is painted on, like latex housepaint. I've seen one other like it ... and no one recognized that one either. What unsolved mysteries and general oddballs do you have?

Here are a couple of examples of oxblood I found in non-marble contexts. How well do they fit with what you are picturing? . . (1) . . (2) Late additions ..... another palette example, another glaze example and a much more brown example in dyed wool: (click to enlarge) . . . . . . (3), (4), (5)

What is red? I've never been quite sure. My mother knew it as an artist but I couldn't keep it straight. This is what the computer thinks is red: RED Do you mean that should be in oxblood? Funny thing about red ... I think clinical tests have shown that what males tend to consider "true red" is different from what females tend to consider "true red". Or maybe the test was about what males considered the best shade of red being different from what females tend to be attracted by. Like the red which would appeal on the most visceral level and help make a sale. Funny thing about the black, I have been under the impression that most oxblood does not contain black. Once upon a time I heard that what we perceive as black is actually transparent green. Alan's post in that other oxblood thread might be the first time I heard anyone say that both green and black were possible.

These were dug in England. I think the one with the star is being called Pearlware. The dimension looks odd because less than half the marble is there. (pdf source, 1.16 MB)

Marbles are frequently mentioned in archaelogical articles. Supposedly they can be used to help figure out the date of other items in the site. Here's an article which might make some reference to that, but from my quick skim it seems that that author might just be learning about marbles, not learning from them. Still looks interesting. Losing your marbles: Post-medieval gaming marbles of pottery and stone from Canterbury excavations address: http://www.canterburytrust.co.uk/annreps/pdfs/1998/005.pdf (1.16 MB) Hosted by the Canterbury Archaelogical Trust Ltd. site. Some of the mibs under discussion: [space reserved for other archaeology articles]

The Far Eastern Economic Review, several years Not entirely online, but snippets at Google Books enabled me to learn that Hong Kong built a marble factory in 1954, and it was used to make cat's eyes, which were described as "transparent marbles with colour-core". That was from an article entitled "The Glass Marble Industry of Hongkong" in the 1956 edition.

I saw some vaseline glass frogs ONCE, and only once that I recall -- those I would love if I had the chance to get them -- do yours by chance glow, Brian?

The inventors of "the" marble machine include at least Martin Christensen Berry Pink Art Fisher Clinton Israel That is, according to various reports. There might be others. There have been so many that I've lost track. The reports aren't just saying that they invented one type of machine. They out and out mean THE machine. A 1970 article about Vitro says Art Fisher founded Vitro in the 1930's after inventing his machine and before he came along glass marbles were made by hand. Same story with Israel. Before he invented the first automatic machine in 1926, marbles were handmade. This was reported in 1959, in a very nice full page article which identified Israel as "West Virginia's Marble King". Charles Turnbull is said to have designed and built most of Ravenswood's equipment but I don't see him credited with starting it "all".

well, I thought I was done with the cosmics but I didn't see your response, PlanB. Are you saying they were Anacortes mibs after all? I'm confused now. edit: I'm even more confused now, I just read some more in AMMM and they seem to contradict the date they gave for when Paris was making marbles. Looks like that continued through much of 1987. Plus they seem to give two different dates for the move to Anacortes. I give. One day I'll get it straight. By the way, I found a newspaper interview of a Vitro manager, John Masters, who doesn't seem to be mentioned in AMMM. Was "manager" different from "plant manager"? I still have plenty to sort out, I guess.

Now that I'm done with my part of the cosmic research I'll say what I should've said awhile back -- those aventurine bananas are sharp! hmmm ... while i'm in the neighborhood catching up ... the wirepull colors seem like the vacor wicked owl. how sure are you of it being european?

Here's my St. Mary's:

could be two beautiful Akros. :-)

Yeah, that makes sense ... either way ... odd glimpses of the neighboring marbles and/or some enhancement by the artist. Makes me want to fill a pitcher with clearies and then stare at it for awhile to see what I notice that I hadn't expected, like clouds.

I think these are the ones AMMM calls "Mystery Marbles II". AMMM says those have been found in 5/8" and 7/8".

I made inquiries. :-) A couple of people contributed to the verdict, which is that Cosmic Rainbows are not Gladding Vitro, and thus were not made between 1969 and 1982, nor before 1969. Paris Mfg bought Gladding Vitro in 1982, and changed the name back to Vitro Agate. According to AMMM, Paris made mibs from 1982 to 1985. So, how about an estimate of 24 to 27 years?