Steph

Now that I think of it, it's sort of surprising to see a whole box for sale. The biggest gift box in the Akro catalog I posted in that other thread today, that biggest box had 96 marbles. We're talking special occasion there. 100 beautiful glass marbles for a boy in 1931, or any earlier year, is really a wild thought. Clay marbles were still pretty standard in this time, I think. To have 100 brightly colored new pelts all at one time?

Hmmm ... looked at some other ads and they're all over the place in prices. I can't tell whether this one was a bargain or par for the course. One said the Peerless box was 50 cents wholesale in 1931. But that seems very high for wholesale. It didn't give me rainbos to compare the peerlesses to. I'll just call 50 cents a "clue" and leave it at that for now.

I don't remember much about the movie -- I think it was on video and I was playing cards lol -- but I read that those were Marble Kings.

Did you click on the pic? The whole ad is pretty cool, that's why I didn't just stick with the snippet, but the other should enlarge to the same scale.

I'm calling this a clue. :-) The peerless were from about the same time. You think they'd be less expensive than the NLR's? ... er .... NMS's? If so, I don't imagine by much. I might have another clue somewhere, about relative cost of Peerless in comparison to NLR's. Nice box, Charles.

Anyone seen these bags? I know of the Hot Shot. Can't remember seeing the others. (click pix to enlarge) That's from an ad I'd like to learn more about. I'd really like to learn its age. The "new" Akro Carnelians on the front page might be a clue, but maybe not as much as I'd hope. They were said to be "new" in 1934, but I think other years also. Need to confirm. In reference to yesterday's prize name discusion, at this point Akro definitely had white-based Prize Names, but the ad company wouldn't necessarily have known it. The ad which was changed, wiht the color combos being dropped IIRC, was the one where there were pix of the prize names. The proofreader would have flagged that and finally the outdated text was cut. (that's my theory) I sorta hope this is a clue to this ad, and any other ads mentioning No. 2 glassies. Hope it means they would have come after February of 1932, but there's some conflicting info still being worked out in one of those other ads with No. 2 glassies.

Ahhhhhhh, yes.

Okay. I see the difference. I don't understand it. But I see it. on top of the pulse?

(click pix to enlarge) . . . They were offered as a prize to the 4th place scorer in Madison, WI's marble tournament. The first place winner was to receive a new suit of clothes, dress shoes, and the trip to Chicago for the regional competition. But in the end, the hardware store gave both boys a box of marbles and a Cornelian shooter. . . .

Source: http://davies.halinet.on.ca/Newspaper/FA/1...on1941_0567.pdf 1.5 Meg The web address says 1941, but the content says 1942.

Anyone know the story on these? Whose they were? From a Morphy auction, 2005 I think.

Well, that sounds like what I usually hear. But has anyone here ever seen one with that kind of marble in it? Tonight I've seen pix of what appear to be five Ringer Marble Sets. (I suppose they could be come of the same boxes but with the marbles switched out. ;-). Two of the boxes contain popeyes and three have mibs which seem somewhere between cloudy and mossy. If a box was ever full of the marble Scott singled out, then that would be weird to me. It's not a known type. So is there a missing Akro name? Or was there a run of error popeyes one day which were sent out in Ringer Marble Sets? If they came in different colors, that wouldn't seem so much like an error. So that'd be weird. That's a good start. I like that together with, "And looks like it matches the known Ace examples". There's "something" about the texture of the base which stands out. I think it has a grain. Maybe not as conspicuous in general as the grain in Realers is famous for being, but the glass doesn't seem as smoothly blended as a lot of other Akros, translucent, white or otherwise. Also, with a marble as misunderstood as this one, I'd want to be very careful not to overgeneralize. I'd stick close to the known examples for awhile. On the other hand, if I'm holding a cork which has obvious fire in the base, I'm going to consider it nice enough to set apart, whether it is an "Ace" or not. Came in both cork and patch, and what seems to be a swirl. I'm not sure at the moment if the swirl is essentially a crazy cork or if it's more truly random. There are other colors of base. No need for whisps or white though, yeah, the cork/swirl version does generally seem to have greater numbers of colors per marble than the patch version. The patch version is what you are already familiar with. That's the trouble with definitions. We define ourselves out of accurate i.d.'s. We could end up saying the person who made the marble originally got the name wrong. But some other marble made 10 years after the real ones qualifies by sheer coincidence. Yes, slags were called Striped Onyx. The red ones could be sold in the Striped Onyx box or in Cardinal Red boxes. Then when Akro stopped making slags they kept the Onyx name for the corks made with white ribbons in transparent colored glass. The Cardinal Red name also survived the switch, but I get the impression it was discontinued before the onyx name -- maybe when they ran out of cardinal red boxes? (she asks half seriously) Tri-colors don't have to be on a white base. Do you see that Lifesaver in Dani's catalog pic? What modern collectors call "Specials" were Tri-Colors to Akro. Yes, they came in both cork and patch. The Prize Name description on the left up there didn't come with the picture on the right. Sorry I wasn't clear enough about that. The description had the original colors. The picture was evidence of the expanded line. Mainly I wanted to show that there were eventually white based Prize Names and that those were different from Aces. I think the description which came with the picture just said "two colors", with no specifics. Unfortunately the only copy I could find today was teeny tiny and pretty much illegible. If that's the copy I originally read, my eyes were much better then than they are now. Akro did have many booboos in their ads though. The people who did the ads probably weren't Akro people. The ads are nice looking, very professional. I think some ad guy(s) at an agency may have had some sample boxes and a stack of old ads to use for source material. Maybe a few notes from Akro people. Maybe not so many samples and/or notes. Have you seen the Sparkler description?

Oh hey, you broke the picture up. I liked them all together. No, I didn't mean that. :-) That was sort of a heads up about the possibility of confusing Vacors with Japanese 6-vanes. But mostly I was admiring Vacors. They're nice ! I'm too worried about which are old and which are new. Elizabeth / Pinx posted some examples of Mexican cats which could pass for Japanese. I'll try to get the link. Here's a pretty good example of the early Japanese I like. Just bright solid colors. Healthy stimulation for the retinas. Fills 'em up without overloading. :-)

I like one type not represented in yours -- what I believe are the earliest Japanese cat's eyes. Simple design but vivid colors. Some of the Vacor cats look way way too much like Japanese 6-vanes. (As you say, they're nice.)

Pretty group!

LOL Carole, more than that, it made me go nova.

Here's a conveniently dated Marble King box. :-) (click) A thread with other modern patches. (and some vintage ones)

Here's a thread where I tried to think about something sort of like that. Non Vitro " All Reds " If I saw red and red, in the pattern of a modern rainbow, I'd likely think modern MK. Or possibly foreign. Here's a conveniently dated Marble King box. :-)

D@MM I mean WOW SIZZZZZZLE I haven't had time to read everything these last few days. Glad I opened this one ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Torched. is my guess.

How do I answer that? All I can think is to post this again, a little bigger. That is Akro's catalog. Prize Name and Tri-Color are Akro's names. White with one color is a Prize Name. White with two colors is a Tri-Color. (So are other opaque bases with two colors in the ribbon(s), but that's another story.)

Check out this thread. I don't remember if it's "complete", but it's targeted to your question. Japanese Cat's Eye?, USA cat's eye?

The marble at the first link for sure Moss Agate. But Ringer is a collector's name which Akro didn't assign to any other marble, so if someone wants to use it for some particular type of marble who'm I to argue. Don't get me wrong, I'm curious about what name they might have been sold under, and really don't have a good idea on that. This version from Uncmikie which Scott pointed out here, the one which looks so much like a Tri-Onyx Agate. What would it have been sold as? Was it an error pop? Was it made on purpose? What was its name to Akro? Yeah, I'm curious about that, but even when we find out, it wouldn't interfere with calling the marble a ringer, since it doesn't conflict with any of Akro's own names. Now, some of your "ordinary" white-based corks might turn out to be aces. Not all though and I think not most. I'd first check whichever ones you have in the 5 classic Ace colors. There are large versions here. If Akro ever did extend the Aces beyond the first five colors, the base from the original ones would help to identify the others. The truly ordinary white bases would be Prize Names. White wasn't included in the initial color offering but the line was quickly extended. (click for some enlargement) Comparing Akro's descriptions to their marbles gives some insight into terminology of the day, how loose it might have been, or simply how different from what we say today. Akro said the Prize Names were opaque but I believe that some which were sold as Prize Names were slightly translucent. And their ribbons could even be transparent. The overall effect though ... for most Prize Names ... would generally have been that light didn't penetrate in any particularly interesting way. The Aces are different, in part because they have what Akro called opalescence. (I know you don't like how they used the word but that's what they called it.) Trying to sort the red/white prize names from the red "Aces" would need some care. The red ribbons on the barely translucent prize names can give the marble an orange glow when backlit. I still wonder which came first, the Ace or Pelt's Acme Realer. They can be so similar that I think one might have been a response to the popularity of the other. (click to enlarge) So ... is there any known advetisement for the Ringer Marble Set?

I guess there might be some champs in the bag. Many are not. It's been backfilled. This thread gives some insight: Hurry, Hurry, Hurry,. Al mentions the guy in Florida who was in the business of selling backfilled and totally fantasy bags in the 1990's. I got some from someone in Florida about 5 years ago. May have been the same guy. I think one of the Champ bags I got from him might actually have had champs in it. But I still think it was backfilled. It was full of teeny amber clearies. That could make sense for Champ since the last time I saw teeny clearies they were in a bicentennial bag which I got for Christmas in 1976. But all the same color? That doesn't sound right. Sounds more like someone who bought factory surplus.

DANG! !!