Steph

Love the ad.

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gorgeous! And what fun it would be deciding which four of each run to include !

Hey there, Rosalie. :-) Unfortunately I think we're at the point where nothing I posted would be thought to resemble a furnace swirl. I suspect I could even post a furnace swirl but call it a Jabo and someone would say "that doesn't look anything like a Champ". (plus, I can't upload pix at the moment. )

I figured that was coming. I love pancakes!

I now realize size is not an option (edit: obstacle). That was staring in my face but I didn't notice. I think Randy's is a larger one, by the way. He posted it in a group shot as well as the individual pix. And yeah, I was mostly referring to the individuals which crossover, with some of the Jabo families having a higher likelihood of such individuals than other families. Some colors are closer too than the Charleston, but those don't get as many pix taken. The cold rolly and other error Jabos don't get as many pix either. That's where some of the nearer matches are going to be found. So I'd have to pull the nearer matches from my cache and then take care of that pesky camera problem.

Waiting for the punchline ,,,

That is one good point, Sue. The next good point is that Kevin is being rude and presumptuous and did I mention rude? And here's one which might also be considered a good point, though I shouldn't have to say it, since there is more than one way to acquire knowledge -- I own furnace mibs. I am sooooooooooooooo tired of the attitudes of the people who seem to expect a notarized affidavit of how many marbles I own before they will accord me as much respect as, say, what Kevin expected in his 2nd week of collecting marbles. And now for someone so new to jump on that bandwagon ... that bandwagon with the broken axle which allows people to make false assumptions about me and use their assumptions to justify jerky behavior .... Excuse me ... I need to go vent quietly in another room .....

LOL, yes some do! And not just like Randy's. But that's the one which made me do a double take and realize I could slip some into a furnace photo and maybe not be called on it. LOL Well, back to Jaboland .....

Whoops! sorry to kill the thread, but they are similar! Okay, I'm moving over to Jaboland now. :icon_lmao:

Take this Champ of Randy's again: I need to get my camera back online or watch the Jabo auctions on ebay for some good photos which might capture what I see in mine but this pic of Windy's gives an idea of how close the motion can be. Some of mine are even better than this. Tighter. with super hooks. and yeah, some with annealing fractures. :glare: (oh well -- i'll deal with it!)

I think the "unique movement" is part of what I'm talking about Sue, when I compare the last dances to the furnace swirls. Some of mine match it dead on. That movement is what is going to make some of the new ones go into Wissmach collections if folks aren't careful to keep them separate and especially to learn the color combos.

I still think some of the most recent jabo run look uncannily close to furnace swirls. I wouldn't be surprised to see them ending up in wissmach-centric collections someday, unless at 3/4" give or take they're too large to confuse with champs. ?? Greg, I was thinking about a version of your question last night as I continued sorting my Last Dances. As I looked at the really unusual ones, I felt I had been almost "wrong" for having been excited by the most vintage looking ones. As I went back and forth between the more furnace-y ones and the more luminescent, richly hued ones -- especially the purple and lutz combo on the translucent red-orange base -- I couldn't decide whether I'd like to have future runs try to capture a more vintage look or keep playing with unconventional glass types. When the new combos click just right, wow. And when they capture the vintage look, whether in vintage colors or new ... wow. The "wrong" feeling was accompanied by thoughts of John Denver. -- because of an interview he did later in life. He seemed to resent his fans who didn't seem to want to hear his new music. He was a creative person who kept expressing himself in music as he always had but fans mainly wanted to hear songs from the 70's. I was one of the fans who hadn't given his newer music a chance.

Happy Birthday Roger and Jeff!

Cool. Thanks. I wondered if that could possibly be Rosenthal but didn't see how.

Yup. Sue doesn't have dog in this race. She's a handmade collector who's trying to accentuate the positive because she knows how much the Jabos mean to some of us.

And in other news ... Berry Pink didn't become "Berry" until his teens or 20's. The 1900 census listed him as Beney and in 1910 his name was given as Benjaman. So if you want to search for records of his youth, perhaps try out variations on the name Benjamin. (edit: there is a suggestion in one genealogical source that Berry might have been short for "Beryl".) His apparent birthdate changed over the years too. One fairly certain thing is that he was a little older than his obituary indicated -- between 1 and 3 years. Not a big difference but possibly relevant to such things as military service. The 1900 census said he was born April 1898. But the same census said his brother Louis was born May 1896, yet Louis' military records say November. Nov. 10 on one form, Nov. 4 on another. (What's up with that?) Later censuses confuse matters further. The 1910 census implies he was born in 1898 or 1899. The 1920 census implies he was born in 1897, or maybe 1898 if his birthday was in January. The 1930 census implies he was born in 1899 or 1900. Then in 1933 he gave his birthday as Aug. 18, 1900 But by Dec. 1949, he'd lost 2 more years. He was only 47 then. Then in his obituary, he got those two years back. He died in 1962 and was 62. His brother Irwin had name changes also, and also had birthday irregularities. So did their mother. It was as if they were in witness protection and couldn't remember the details of their new identities. As far as employment, in 1920 Berry was a salesman for a silk company and in 1930 he was an executive for a rubber mill. At least that's what the census taker wrote down. And in 1930 it says he was a veteran but I can't make out which 'war or expedition' it says he served in. (edit: it appears to be WW, with a stray line added, and of course, WW is the one he was the right age for.) Will return to marble-related stuff in the next post. :-)

lol Sue. It is funny, isn't it. Pete made a parallel post over at LOM today. Musing about the possibility that machinemade collectors have not only come into their own but been there long enough that they are possibly feeling some of the things handmade collectors about their niches a decade or two ago.

I haven't counted how many there are here now: Whaddaya Know About ... Industrial Uses For Marbles? I still have more to add though. Plus some more background info on some of the uses already there. For example, Edna mentioned putting red marbles in chicken feed to encourage them to eat. I was puzzled by the reference to a specific color but I found out more about that. Something about a bright color to catch the young chickens eyes -- maybe to actually teach them to eat. I need to find where I put the article on that.

I didn't say that, Edna. Nor do I think it. I simply said that Galen didn't hijack the thread by talking about his candidates for best maker. Galen's post was in keeping with the direction the thread had taken at that point. By asking Mike who is favorite maker was, you reinforced the direction Mike had turned it to. And Galen proceeded in the same direction you and Mike took. I know I care about accuracy to the point of being seriously uptight about it. There's a reason though. I've had a lot of turmoil in my life. Being as grounded as I could on as many details as I could was a protection. If even my friends assume things about my thoughts which aren't accurate, that shows how easy it is to make a misstep in chaotic situations. That leads to more confusion. The truth is the only way I know to ground things.

Right. they would have rather had a Peltier or a CAC ... etc. But it's still the same marble. They would have been happy with it if it were a CAC. They're unhappy with it because it is a Jabo. That seems to be more about the name than the intrinsic attributes of the marble itself. Sometimes it would be better if someone said nothing. Some people think I should have said nothing. I didn't see retaliation for disagreement though. Mike uses gentle language and people respond gently, even when they disagree. Galen uses blunt and sometimes confrontational language and the responses are not so gentle. More or less the same message was delivered though by both men. It wasn't the disagreement which caused any "retaliation". It was the manner, with complications due to past history. You took a firm yet relatively lowkey route to begin with, and got a milder response. Then your posts seemed more challenging, and things are escalating now. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Freedom of speech doesn't exonerate one of causing pain. If someone feels strongly enough about what they're going to say to risk causing pain, okay, but there it is. Consquences. The one thing I felt in-the-zone certain about when I wrote it was that Galen hadn't hijacked the thread. At least he didn't make the initial detour from the intended topic. It was a bit hard to follow after that. I hurt my friends' feelings by saying that. And they might not forgive me. I felt strongly about it though and I made my choice because I hate it when people think something is unfair but won't say anything because they don't want to rock the boat. All of my friends know the pain of that. There's a famous saying: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Galen doesn't need anything from me, but I needed to defend him on that one point. on principle. You guys have at it. I've taken my stand and my hit. I would rather everyone be honest and factual, but it's so wild in here that I don't think I'll be able to tell anymore what the facts are. *diving into the nearest foxhole* *taking my Charlestons with me*

Don't see why that should anger. There are a few reasons I can think of for the disappointment. Most having nothing to do with the quality or attractions of Jabos. (imho) Often members are hoping to have a marble which people will esteem, for the age, the name or the monetary value. In other words, many simply place more value on non-Jabos, period. It's the same marble before and after the id is made. But the name carries more weight to them than the marble itself. Newbies often love Jabos for their looks. They often have to learn disdain. Similar thing happens with Alleys and CAC's. A "CAC" can lose it's value when it is discovered to be merely a gorgeous Alley. It's the name, not the quality of the marble. An example of a non-superficial reason (imho) is the goal of learning how to i.d. marbles. As long as members can't tell the difference between Jabos and others it means that they haven't reached their goal. that's naturally frustrating. I do like old things myself, and like to know they have history. But that's still something apart from the quality of the marble.

Don't get carried away there Steph but they do look very much like some super busy WV mibs and being those are my favorite types well you already know lol Some of them do! I said so to Randy a coupla weeks ago when he posted this Champ ... and one day I'm going to get the pix to back up my claim. The Jabo Charleston might be where I've noticed it the most. This Charleston which Bob posted is more on the flamey side, but some of mine have lots of little hooks very much like Randy's.

Funny you should say that about flames Winnie. !! I've been planning to start a thread at Jaboland asking people to post their best Jabo flames, maybe including a sort of contest to see who could find a flame with the most points. I have many which are reminiscent of Alleys, and some which to me look like nice, busy Champ furnace swirls. Some are mushy and some have buttcracks, but some are SHARP.