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u welcome. Yet keep in mind that many slags might be hand gathered where you really have to study one to be sure it is or not. You have one that looks close in row 2 right, but it turns back into a different direction. That's not an impossibility when hand gathering as usually the punty rod is turned in one direction to gather the glass. Yet, what if the person who's dipping, ('Gatherer') pulling and twirling to gather all day, week after week, months and years, gets Carpo tunnel? Turn "Ouch", twist "Ow!" "Ouch!"😆 Not to leave out Peltier's feathered slags, they are not HG so, would be auto gob feeder made too.

Without an indication of hand gather, or an obvious 9 or whip tail, Akro seems to be the only, perhaps mid 1920's until closing in 1951 who carried a standardized mix for slags into the automated gob feeder generation.

I guess, albeit it does not have a typical pattern, then as there's none other except Peltier that's black and white with aventurine, call it good. I could note in addition; the surface of the black in first photos do appear as if it would have some and now enlarged, while it's still hard to see aventurine in most photos, the black has divisions where it's thin over or near the white, of blue and a dark black/brown. A lot of Blue Zebras have this combination yet, much more blue. That too is a common trait of Peltier's zebra. Perhaps it is earlier variation before Peltier mastered their stripey NLR (National Line Rainbo).

That's too awkward for Peltier. Pelter's two ribbon pattern is pretty usual that can get a little squiggly, yet this does not have the double ribbon from equator to equator. Where the photo in the center right side, seems to show two ribbons ending, one is an end cut-off, but the other is diving into the glass. I would though, become encouraged to go: oddly made Peltier, only if there's aventurine in the black. Otherwise, it's an odd ball that's potentially foreign to USA, unknown pattern and manufacture's swirl.

Retort of fact finding regarding the " Akro Sparkles have 5 colors or they are not Akro's Myth. This is a set of 5 Cloudy Sparklers. Les Jones once had an original 100 stock box of these that were also mint. I have seen a few from time to time on Ebay where people are unsure for the fable that it has to have 5 colors yet, the 'Cloudy Sparklers' are the rarest variation Akro made, in Stock boxes. Unfortunately, this is an old photographic composition I'd made about 25 years ago and so the pixels are to low and not as detailed as it was then, yet good enough to see the differences. Of the most common in Sparklers is a bright yellow. Majority of these have green, black or dark brown, red, and light blue. They're in a crystal clear base however they have an opalescent thin white on the surface. To shine a light through reveals an Opal glow. It's quite difficult to get a good shot of the various colors, including white strands within the central matrix, due to the exterior coating. So, to get the best shot then, I used multiple light sources and a background that helped to see the strands of colors which had to eliminate most of the white strands inside. The white that's only on the surface is not like a steady film moreover, actually is like imitating thin clouds. On this set the colors are orderly. starting on yellow is followed with black, then green and white. Red is only a strand within the white filaments, while there's some light blue filaments in a few too. "Ah oh! that's not 5 colors?" Fact verses fiction: Myth debunked.

Here is something to consider regarding time lines of cane-cut handmade and hand gathered marbles with their original boards and boxes. This is Danny Turners observations which he published on his web site prior to selling his business: Danny Turner, Running Rabit Auctions: (This web site no longer exists and would not have a secure (https) or valid certificate today) http://www.runningrabbit.com/ Danny has shown to be the most knowledgeable and accurate person in the time of his Business ventures and studies.. "We have had the good fortune of seeing several hundred solitaire sets with what appeared to be their original marbles. Just from casual observation these sets can be divided into three periods. The following dates are my best educated guess based on the style and patina of the boards, associated inscribed dates, and the original containing box when it exists. The first period would be from 1850 to 1880. These boards are usually handsomely crafted out of beautifully patinaed mahogany, and we have seen several with inscribed dates as early as 1850. The second period would be from 1880 to 1920. These boards are somewhat less well crafted, and are made of oak, mahogany and pine. Sometimes these solitaire sets were boxed in well made cardboard boxes with colorful paper labels. The third period would be from 1920 to 1940. These boards are usually crudely crafted out of pine and were sold in cardboard boxes. These three divisions are not always clear and there are some crossover characteristics between the periods. The marbles are distinctly different in the three periods. Marbles associated with the first period almost always have a ground, faceted pontil and are generally well made with fine detail. Marble types found on these earliest boards include Onionskins, Onionskins with mica, Onionskins with suspended mica; many varieties of swirls including latticinio, divided ribbon, single ribbon, and solid cores; green, cobalt blue, cyan blue, and clear micas; and ground pontil- hand gathered marbles referred to by collectors as transitions. {Today known as Griener, Previously thought to be Leighton} The one thing all these marbles have in common is their ground, faceted pontil.” After I read this, I took a look at my regular German hand-made marbles, and quickly discovered that the types which are ground are far superior in design and construction. I can quickly pick out a few of yours, yet you do need better photos, but some have designs that, from design alone, I expect are ground pontal from the early period. Regardless, unless you make better photos there's no way to see if yours were polished or not.

Yes, Benington marbles is a misnomer for the assumption gathered years ago. Yet still, there's no shortage of the blue and brown glazed marbles all across the USA. I do have some quite unusual Pewees I picked up in 1983 at an antique store in the middle of nowhere Kansas, I am thinking I might try, once again to get a photo of, for this topic. Can't guarantee I can do it because, last time I tried, years ago, I could shoot better. But I picked the few different colors out of the store's tin can. I had remembered my brother and I havening these, our Dad picked up in a junk auction for 1960 price; a nickel or dime. They're a 1/2" well rounded and sized into speres, simi-flat glazed with 3 dark colors of green, purple and a brownish plum. Grey stoneware that's heavy in weight. I have never seen any on the net or elsewhere. my brother, two years older, thought they were Army marbles from WWI which seemed to fit. Albeit, with the war TV shows, back then, he was a big fan and liked to play Army. IDK but I think we may have used them with slingshots as they are just right sized and weight. I picked each color they had and best condition however they all have tiny chips, even the little bag of 9, I've kept them in all these years since I bought them, has tiny pieces that apparently flacked off. It's not paint, but it seems the gray Stonewear is not stable enough to retain the coating. They are hard and fairly heavy so, maybe slingshot ammo? Maybe one of ya'll has some and can get a good photograph?

Think it's safe to say Marble King. Moreover. these are 60's through, I believe, late 70's two patch, which are more modern than Patch and ribbon. While white and yellow on patch and ribbon are incredibly hard to find, that's not the case on two patch. The green and blue would be a Dragonfly. MK made new old style two patch in the mid-90's that confused many, but I can't remember if it was done in blue and green. MK also made 'Hercules: Blue and Black, two patch versions in the early too mid 60's that are pretty hard to find however are over a white base. Yet, I have patch and ribbon Dragonfly that have obvious white and another where there's no indication white is under the colors. So, yours makes me wonder except the green and blue on mine, without white base does not appear to be a match on yours. So, that's interesting, if it's actually early 60's that I may not have seen or 90's

I have some pretty wobblily corks that are unexpected and can hardly follow the spiral from the spinning cup and for me, the first photo says: it aint an Akro. That orange and white is lapping on top as most any swirl do. Personally, I've ever seen this combination on a cork, yet that does not mean it can't happen. I also have some dug-up Akros that are not corks at all and obviously not just irregular but, intentional swirls like most any. They are not like the OP's at all. In fact, if ya didn't know were dug-ups you'd, probably never think Akro. I'd never be convinced it's an Akro, unless there's a cork that matches the colors.

If by "Eyes" you mean Glaze melt marks then no, I doubt that. I guess there are some that do not have melt 'Eyes' as, clearly billions were made. And I have been aware of three slit marks for several years, I did not have any of those. as for glaze melt, 'Eyes' heck, there's usually one too three or so, as I perceive; production of billions was fairly sloppy. I threw and sculptured clay throughout H. S. touch marks from whatever platform used and or touch accidently when placed in the kiln when firing, has not been a surprise for me whereas, comparably, Bennington type are sloppy.. Yet, it does seem that pointy, although my clay objects used ceramic lower, wider and flatter, unlike those shown,, triangular 3 point stilts for firing , I do not think US glazed marble verities did. I mean, in all the junk, as I thought of Bennington, none of those I saved, nor any various unusual colored types, I still have, do. If I had a 3 point, would have kept it. Bennington's kind of got annoying for me because, I'd see and hear so many D. people either scamming with nonsense or other's having heard such as rare and they're everywhere. It lost any intrinsic value, in my opinion. . Albeit, I do have a few glazed goodies.

The typical 5/8" or so, blue or brown, that are in abundance in the US. I had so many of those, I kept a few examples, but dumped them years ago for taking up to much space.

I have one 1-1/8" just like this and another 1" Benington brown colored. They are both of my freebee portion wherever I'd bought glass handmade, cane-cut and machine-made swirl groups from Germany. I mean, I did not buy the groups for the ceramic marbles so, I think of them as free bonus stuff.. Both only have 1 stilt or glaze melt mark. I guess that puts some mud in the water considering difference in typical Benington type US vs. Euro made.

I think that patch will snuggle right in with your Peltiers.

So, inside the crock pot, I mentioned last week ' Mint sets from different companies.' Here's one from it which I've never seen another. Old photo so, graphics don't do it justice anymore. I call it Peltier: 'Gemstone Tiger eye'. Probably would need to see it in-hand to realize why. It is a simi translucent blending mix which is not exactly a dead match of the gleaming stone, but pretty darned close...

So, here's an old photo of a bunch of new MK's (new in 1997) that a distributor sent me along with a bunch of Champions (Not shown) samples seeking my opinion of the marbles. Moreover, I deemed them as Experientials because some months prior, Berry Fox had told me, in a call I made to her, that she was trying to reengineer their system/machines to produce old style patch and ribbons. So, apparently with some or many, in this large group of samples (the box is mine) the patch changed from two patches into, as I called it' a split patch. Pretty sure that some of yawl have seen the blue, yellow and green 5/8" marbles and these big 'Split patch' ones too. I think there's no shortage of giant 1-1/4" white cats, but. some of the black ones are, like, a big boy 1" Black widow hybrid of sorts. Red narrow patch on one side and a watermelon patch, that's red with green surrounding it. And there's a few cats they'd blended to where they almost look, especially a big blue and green, like St. Mary's cross throughs. And, Big Boy 7/8" 2 patch Wasps with blue beside the red. It's an old photo 25 years. Regardless I angled each marble so you can see the variations.

I have a Unique from Roger Hardy's collection. It is a special 'Green Eye'd, solid white base with the correct brown in center.

I believe that both Akro Hero and Unique have a solid white base.

mibcapper Dam, missing his contributions is like a day without the Sun..

Yeah, that and these two colors, together, look Vacor. Plus the thin line in the center of the blue, is not a thing Peltier did but Vacor does from time to time.

Took me a bit to pull out and check. It 'pretty thick translucence and with so much color, it's not easy to see through, but I could get somewhere opalescence is visible. And I don't have my UV light availed but, I think I recall it lighting up too. I'll have to dig up that light one day and confirm. It's an Akro dug-up in the late 1990's

This is really tough. Looks like you have metal on it, very odd for an Akro. Then in your photo I am attaching, is there a hint of a 9 that I see? That would mean it's Hand gathered too. If it is HG then potentially a dug-up that's most unusual for color and metal. Otherwise, for the swirling, maybe a Champion.

Fairly safe to say for this shade of blue; it's a Champion.

Green or gray, hard to tell. Gray would be very hard to find Peltier Greycoat, green be a Christmas tree.

You're correct . It's a Peltier Rebel, with a little bonus of some orange too.

They appear to be all MK. That yellow and white, I cannot remember if I have seen one. Seemingly, it's one where you'd expect to be part of all their somewhat ordinary, run of the mill flavors. There's the Peacock that's yellow ribbons and a patch of green too blue and red too pink in it on white. Bumble Bees, Boy or Girl scouts. Yellow with 3 colors of patch and ribbons. White with yellow and 2 more colors, Hybrid variations with yellow. I mean, yellow is no stranger to Marble King Patch and ribbon styles. Yet, the most unassuming variation, just Yellow and white, in all the years I've seen, dug-ups, Bags, old displays, offerings and collectors or collections. Of all the most desirable from the highest such as a patch and ribbon Watermelon with Oxblood, Others, Hercules and more. Granted I have not searched for this in over 10 years, yet from what I have seen and hunted for; the most elusive patch and ribbons Marble King I know of, nowhere near ordinary as one may think, is a simple white and yellow patch and ribbon MK. I mean, it just might be of the rarest, while maybe (Who knows?) not the most valued, Patch and ribbon one could find. I'd set this one aside and reframe from getting lost in the piles as you may never see another, unless MK's President, Berry Fox made some that otherwise, one would presume ordinary.. It appears to be the same time when the blue and white, next to it, was made. That would be 1960's. The two above are late 60's too mid-late1970's Two patch. Not completely certin as it's been over 20 years, but may have seen just one yellow and white P & R dug up within the Paden City dump site, of thousands she found, by Jill Spencer. (Jillian)