excellant thread, but as with the other threads on this ... still " opinions " and no real factual foundation for fake or real c.a."s. obvious questions ... records of the co. that did the work or city records of the work done, time's ... dates ... invoices ... in the " discovery " .. are basic questions that haven't been answered .... good opinions on both sides tho, but will always stay as it is now ... ?????? .... until " real " research is done, or, more than what has. don r. was a start .... secrets .. john m. .... when i entered this wonderful journey they were there ... and still exist. information is withheld to protect one's turf or ... MONEY ... which is usually the reason ... too bad. learning is what i'm after. i spend what i have ..... but not on the " exotics " ... didn't fit in hannibal, when jeff and rick h. walked in with them ... and don't now. john m. ... those are some outstanding examples you have in that box. superbbbbbbb ..... bill