Vacor marbles actually do not look like vintage types any where near as much as some of the new Ohio types. And there would be absolutely no way to convince anyone there that it would benefit the Vintage marble collecting community if they did not make mimics. I guess I just need to except the fact that these current makers in Ohio just do not care if, and when they turn out marbles that resemble vintage types. And no matter what anyone says, when I show some new marbles to a room full of vintage collectors and they all believe them to be vintage, IT IS HAPPENING. and it is not necessary. So saying it is not happening is just not factual. But I guess saying they could care less is factual. That bothers me the most, as these folks are closely associated to the hobby and do not care if they cause issues for collectors. And Ann, flames are fantastic no matter who makes them. I even have some Jabos that Flame nicely. But they do not look Vintage.