lstmmrbls Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Does this look like a contemporary to anyone???? Pavcraz auction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermar Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 No question in my mind, Galen. Contemporary!!! Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 My main question is who made it. I know Pavcraz buys contemps. Question is from where. For example, he's salted his lots with Mark Christensens and implied they were vintage Christensens. It might be educational simply to list who makes somewhat vintage-looking "striped opaques" and "guineas" and such these days. And maybe show examples of their craftsmanship. Could even be fun in its own right if we didn't have to think of Pav&@#! while we were doing it. While I was thinking of it I googled it and here's a link to some Mark C's: Mark has a site, but his "Tribute" marbles are out of stock right now. http://www.mcmarbles.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Um, yeah, my money is on Mark Christensen: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120495552125 Mark's marbles are signed now but Pavcraz's offering was NM+. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manddrakes Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Your title should say CROOK! He has been selling nothing but lies. All of the christensen agate marbles he was selling here contemporary! "O.K maybe Mark Christensens". I may wear glasses, but I'm not blind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I LOVE MARBLES Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 first i've never seen a CAC 3/4" s/o, have you Galen? looks like a Carl Fisher from here! thanks for pointing this thief out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Are you saying you've never seen a S/O that's 3/4? I have a couple 7/8" opaque CAC swirls and 2 guineas that are 23/32". They're the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapie_man Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I've had a lot of Kelly Schmidt marbles and had one exactually like this about 4 years ago. A lot of his early ones were unsigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 In case I was being too subtle, I think this one Pavcraz was selling could very well have been signed, but it could be NM+ from where the tiny signature was buffed off. The marble is the right size for Mark Christensen's and the seller is known from the past to buy Mark Christensen marbles and present them as antique. Of course he has also sold Fisher marbles in "vintage" lots so maybe, but this one looks like Mark C's recent offerings to me. Are Kelly Schmidt marbles still available? Pavcraz does a pretty quick turn around business. Buys dug Akros one week and has them in his forged packaging the next. Not saying he wouldn't use older contemps if he could get his hands on them, but just thinking of availability. Next question: who makes guineas? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130350655669 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Mark uses a titanium pen to sign and it is easily removed, And no Scott. I have never personally seen a 3/4" Striped Opaque although I sure wish I had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokoken Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 At the risk of being positive on this board, I think it is legitimately CAC and at $ 190 a real bargain........... Just my opinion and I don't know much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 At the risk of being positive on this board, LOL.... OK, I really don't know... When I opened it, I thought it looked kinda good... But, there is a lot of copy work going on and it only gets better, every day... I know this guy is known for playing games, so let's put that aside and say we only have the marble to work with for info, here.... I'm curious to know what it is about it that makes so many feel it's not CAC... And, Kokoken... I'm curious to know why you think it's the real deal... Let's put the seller aside and make it a learning thread.... It might be educational simply to list who makes somewhat vintage-looking "striped opaques" and "guineas" and such these days. And maybe show examples of their craftsmanship. If I had all the time I needed to do it, I would LOVE to set up a contemporary ID site... Not geared for the "negative." But, simply a site that shows ALL different artists, their work, their signatures, progression, etc... From that, all info could be gathered, whether for the benefit of collecting, or the benefit of learning old from new.... Some day...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 It's hard to separate the seller from the marble, knowing what I do about his past sales. However, I think I would suspect that this particular example was a Mark Christensen even if I didn't know the seller was Pavcraz. Here's my contribution to the discussion. A pic of the marble in question, and one of Mark's for comparison: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokoken Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I can feel the seams and the white smells right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARBLEMISER Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'm glad I don't collect CAC's. Yikes!!! That's too close for a newbie!!! Thanks everyone for their input on this thread. I't truely is an eye opener. marblemiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I LOVE MARBLES Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 IMHO Mark's marble looks more real than the mib in question! the mib in question, look at the bleeds the red into yellow & yellow into red. real CAC marbles just don't do that, no bleeds the colors stay separate! the cut lines & colors are wrong! thanks Galen, i'd like to see & own a real one too! Andrea i also have had a 23/32" real Guinea & seen a 3/4" real Guinea. i also have CAC swirls & other CAC mibs 7/8" and over! a CAC swirl is not a CAC Striped Opaque, do you understand the difference? Ken, from your view; sweet striped opaque, and a real bargain! now from my view; geeze wish i could teach these people with a lot of money, just what a fake marble is, sorry you bought this fake, & still think it's real Ken! i know that you're a nice guy who ott to know better! when you support these thieves, they just keep shoveling more sh--!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Well, uh yes, I do know the difference between a swirl and a striped opaque! I was commenting on the post above mine where I Love Marbles was saying he'd never seen a 3/4" CAC. He didn't specify striped opaque so I thought he meant that CAC didn't make any 3/4" marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I LOVE MARBLES Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Hi Andrea it reads and i quote; "first i've never seen a CAC 3/4" s/o" guess i may have spelled it out Striped Opaque instead of s/o. well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfish Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I thought the original marble in question smacked of the german circus types myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Next question: who makes guineas? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130350655669 Not just guineas. UGLY guineas. There are that many people out there who think this is a Christensen guinea?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I thought the original marble in question smacked of the german circus types myself. "European" was my first thought at first viewing, too. And not a particularly nice one . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 The German types usually never have looping on the sides Here are some Germans The one on the right is German in similar colors(straight lines on the sides) And I have to say that marble screams contemporary to me. Wrong colors bad seams and terrible try at mimicking CAC S looping on the ends(a big problem with most fakes)It just takes a pair of scissors to make those seams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Not just guineas. UGLY guineas. There are that many people out there who think this is a Christensen guinea?? Ann, at first, I wanted to TOTALLY agree with that statement!! That thing looks like a WRECK!!! But then.... Consider that it's back-lit in every picture... The colors are totally screwed up and it's just an incredible mess... But, is there ANY possibility that it could be a victim of terrible photography??? I personally don't like Guineas and don't own one... So, I don't know much about the cut lines and patterns, which would probably make it easy to settle my question, here. I'm just wonderin' if the backlighting could be deceiving it's real look??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Um, yeah, my money is on Mark Christensen: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120495552125 Mark's marbles are signed now but Pavcraz's offering was NM+. Coincidence? whoever made the mib in question, I lost my part of the pot. I emailed Mark. He says it is not his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Wrong colors bad seams . . . Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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