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Being in the collecting of vintage marbles for just over a year now, I wonder what our group thinks about a person being referred to as an expert in the marble collecting world.

Of course, not all marbles lend themselves to be named and, of course, mistakes will certainly happen - after all, we are human...lol.

Many things cross my mind thinking of a definition of an expert vintage marble collector:

1) The number of years the person has been collecting vintage marbles

2) The number of years spent studying the history of the marbles or having a great deal of knowledge about, or skill, training, or experience in, a collecting vintage marbles

3) Has the person been at the site where the marbles were made (like at a dig)

4) Has the person seen a marble making machine and knows the ins-and-outs of the workings thereof

5) Is this person others go to for a final question

I am wondering how you feel about this question.

Do you have other things you look for that person you'd call an expert?

I look forward to a positive input from the members of our group and I hope to learn from your experiences to make my own journey an intelligent one to find that special marble I just MUST have...lol

Thanks

Rich

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I may have,but that's not enough to make someone an expert in itself.I collect mostly machine-mades and what knowledge I have or think I have is in that area.I would expect an expert to have knowledge of all marble types,handmade,machine-mades,contemp etc.An expert might also answer yes to #3,4,and 5 of Rich's list.

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The 10,000 hour rule is the basis for Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, which was a best seller about 3 years ago. It's a quick read and well worth the couple of hours if you have an interest in this type of thing. Not quite as good as Blink ot Tipping Point, IMHO, a couple of his other books.

Gladwell is actually interviewed in the HBO movie, Bobby Fischer Against The World, which premiered on HBO this past Monday, and he applies the theory to Bobby Fischer (and Grand Master chess players in general). I thought it was a good documentary, and I think is still running on HBO in repeat, or On Demand.

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I have met some folks that know quite a bit about certain areas of the hobby. Met some with a good general knowledge. Met a few that can ID many marbles. Haven't met an expert yet and doubt I ever will. An expert should know about all and every aspect of the hobby. How who when where what etc.

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I wonder if a person can just be an expert in one specialized area of collecting like Akro marbles or Vitro marbles and doesn't have to know everything about Master marbles or others. Like a doctor specializing in brain surgery verses being a foot specialist. Both are experts in their chosen field.

I sure am learning a lot - thanks again!

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There are undoubtedly many marble experts, specialists in their particular fields; but I know of only two that have the perspective Steph is talking about.

One was fooled by the California sulphides, at least until he got home and his wife pointed out that the cherub was a copy of The Grateful Dead's album cover. He has since dropped out of marbles. The other expert I rely on all the time for IDing machine mades.

Both however, became reluctant to ID marbles at shows, since telling a collector that a particular marble was not as good as they thought usually turned out to be a lose-lose-lose situation. (angry collector-the dealer who sold the marble to the collector - and the expert who had to fend off wrath from both sides)

In other collectables hobbies, such as stamps or coins, one can always get an item reliably authenticated.

Any ideas on how to get a reliable ID for a marble?

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Afraid I have caused the blood pressure to increase in more than a few collectors at shows. Most are a bit shocked when you point out the polished and torch made marbles. I try to do it nicely but when they ask I tell. I found 3 torch made CACs in one keeper box. He only asked about 1 so that is the only one I showed how to tell it was torchmade. They get more obvious the more you buy to learn what they look like. Folks that never buy the fakes or polished marbles will have a much harder time knowing when they have one in their hand.

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Any ideas on how to get a reliable ID for a marble?

Swirl ID-ing seems to be the most inexact of the present marble sciences. When people try to ID transparent swirls by maker it sometimes makes me laugh. Heck, maybe they're right in some of their more obscure guesses, but how can anyone be sure? To me there seems to be a lack of replicability to that part of the discipline. I want whoever I consult on that type of ID to be able to say "I don't know". If they don't have the security to say that with grace, then I will view them with some doubt.

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Swirl ID-ing seems to be the most inexact of the present marble sciences. When people try to ID transparent swirls by maker it sometimes makes me laugh. Heck, maybe they're right in some of their more obscure guesses, but how can anyone be sure? To me there seems to be a lack of replicability to that part of the discipline. I want whoever I consult on that type of ID to be able to say "I don't know". If they don't have the security to say that with grace, then I will view them with some doubt.

Great post! It is about time someone said it out loud. Thank you.

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One problem that I have had since collecting 24 yrs.

It begins with going to auctions.

When I showed up at several auctions, bid

& bought several marbles.

The auctioneer will remember you.

Then he starts to call you marble man

or " there's my marble expert"/

This create's a problem for me,

but not for him.

If I bid on a marble or a group of marbles

& someone that has little knowledge sees me bidding,

then they (the mibs ) must be good or I

wouldn't be bidding on them. So the bidding war starts.

I never said that I was an expert, but was labeled as such.

I used to get someone to bid on the marbles for me.

That worked for a while. But it caught on.

When the auctioneer called me marbleman I always said

that I don't know anything about what you're talking about.

But in such small circles it's hard to hide.

I've had other collectors ask me,at auctions what I

was going to bid on? I would say wait & see.

Then they would bid against me even if they didn't

know what the marble was. JUST SO I didn't get too cheap!!!

Anyway, I quit going to auctions to buy mibs.

I just look at what I have & am happy with them.

A reputation as an expert isn't something I asked for

I was framed!!!

The more I think I know the less I remember what I forgot.

marblemiser

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Swirl ID-ing seems to be the most inexact of the present marble sciences. When people try to ID transparent swirls by maker it sometimes makes me laugh. Heck, maybe they're right in some of their more obscure guesses, but how can anyone be sure? To me there seems to be a lack of replicability to that part of the discipline. I want whoever I consult on that type of ID to be able to say "I don't know". If they don't have the security to say that with grace, then I will view them with some doubt.

What Steph said and what Steve said!

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Interesting thread. I have written all this before, but here it is again:

Develop and refine your marble knowledge by reading books, attend meetings, talk with dealers - collectors and handle many, many marbles. You will gradually learn who has worthwhile opinions based on the ever evolving field of marble collecting.

From your experiences, develop your own inner crap detection system. Remember ---

a) - Seriously doubt anyone who claims to be a marble expert!

B) - Be more apt to listen to advice from a collector offering an opinion - if - they have no vested interest in your marble.

c) - Much like fishing, stay close to where the other boats are fishing.

d) - Avoid anyone linked to any past history of questionable marble dealings.

Big Indian but no braid

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What about ID-ing foreign marbles.

It's groping in the dark,It's a pity that there is hardly anything known about foreign marbles.

Usually we can guess when and where and by who the foreigns are made,so speaking of experts....

I now realize that no longer all marbles are foreign marbles to me,LOL only have to find out which marbles have been made here.

winnie

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