jeroen Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 In the same group of the unusual ribbon core, was this marble also. It came from the UK. It is a super twisted swirl of some kind. It has a facted pontil also. Especially the photos under water are very nice. In this way it is very good to see how the construction of this marble is. If you take a good look you will see one red band with on each side a very small black line, that is swirling through the core of the marble. The marble is 11/16 inch. In the book end of day marbles from Block, there are one or two photos in the section of joseph coats that are similar. But in this marble the lines are in several layers. JC's has all the lines in one layer as far as I know. And JC's are later marbles, and they don't have faceted pontils. So I am not sure in what category to put it. I look forward to hear your thoughts. Jeroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Photos from the marble under water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 The pontil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Wow, I love the photos taken under water! Such a cyclonic effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wediscount2 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 not impressed at all, looks like it was made by an apprentice in the afternoon on his first day at work. Ronnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 You have some stumpers, Jeroen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage-28 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think it's pretty cool! You always have interesting marbles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 not impressed at all, looks like it was made by an apprentice in the afternoon on his first day at work. Ronnie yes, and probably he had only one hand, was spastic and blind too............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg11 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Are you sure thats not modern? My first thought but I am no expert at all in handmades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I heard that from a collector in the USA also. But the facted pontil looks good to me. And there is a cold roll line also. I am wondering if modern marbles have this cold roll lines also. If you consider modern from the last 20 years or so. I think that torch marbles don't have cold roll lines, but I am not expert on that. And it was in a group of old handmade marbles, most of them old with faceted pontils. And it is from the UK. I think there are not so many marble makers in the UK. So I give it the favour for it being a old handmade marble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Faceted pontils are the easiest to fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage-28 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Faceted pontils are the easiest to fake. So, do you think this is an antique or contemporary marble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Are you sure thats not modern? My first thought but I am no expert at all in handmades. My thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1DanS Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I believe it is a "newer" marble also. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 In the same group of the unusual ribbon core, was this marble also. It came from the UK. It is a super twisted swirl of some kind. It has a facted pontil also. Especially the photos under water are very nice. In this way it is very good to see how the construction of this marble is. If you take a good look you will see one red band with on each side a very small black line, that is swirling through the core of the marble. The marble is 11/16 inch. In the book end of day marbles from Block, there are one or two photos in the section of joseph coats that are similar. But in this marble the lines are in several layers. JC's has all the lines in one layer as far as I know. And JC's are later marbles, and they don't have faceted pontils. So I am not sure in what category to put it. I look forward to hear your thoughts. Jeroen Very nice finds! Early solitaire boards had exceptional marbles that often defy categorizing. I was told that in those days, one could walk into a toy store and pick from a barrel the 32 marbles you wanted for your solitaire board. I'm sure the unusual and prettier ones were often chosen, rather than the usual run-of-the-mill playing marbles to which we've now given names. I've seen several solitaire boards with many unique looking marbles - most in great condition since they were not used for knuckling down. What were the other marbles in that group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage-28 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I like the odd ones that don't fit into any particular category, but like this marble, many collectors tend to think they are contemporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdale7 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Contemporary is the first thought when I was looking at it. Marbles made for the English market sometimes have different colors and designs/constructions than the traditional German Handmades so that could be a possibility as well, I believe that is what hdesousa was implying but forgive me if I'm wrong. I still am leaning alittle more towards contemporary though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Very nice finds! Early solitaire boards had exceptional marbles that often defy categorizing. I was told that in those days, one could walk into a toy store and pick from a barrel the 32 marbles you wanted for your solitaire board. I'm sure the unusual and prettier ones were often chosen, rather than the usual run-of-the-mill playing marbles to which we've now given names. I've seen several solitaire boards with many unique looking marbles - most in great condition since they were not used for knuckling down. What were the other marbles in that group? Hi Hansel, You are right, the English solitaire boards have sometimes very unusual marbles. I have seen a few solitaire boards at English auctions last year with very strange marbles on them. See the one attached here. If I remember correctly it is a cheated, shaded? core with mica? The group the marble from this post came form was very large, several hundreds of marbles. A lot of them very common, but several unusual ones. With the help of Jeroen vV I picked out the most interesting. There was another marble like this one, with the same colors, but simpler design. England is still a great country for finding unusual marbles. Not the very big rare onionskins or swirls, but the smaller ones, probably from solitaire boards. Jeroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Did you put it under UV light? I got a marble last month which i believed to be old but its intense blue glow under UV confirmed it is a new one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yes I did, and it does not glow under a blacklight. But lots of old hand mades, swirls and onionskins I have do not glow under a blacklight. Most sulphides glow very strong under a blacklight. I think Swissmarbles (RON) made a post about which and how many marbles glow under blacklight) Jeroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I dont think it has to be a new one when it doesnt glow. I just thought it could be an evidence for a new marble when it had a strong blue glow (afaik old ones dont glow bright blue). So there are still chances for it to be old. If it is old, congratulations to that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage-28 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hi Hansel, You are right, the English solitaire boards have sometimes very unusual marbles. I have seen a few solitaire boards at English auctions last year with very strange marbles on them. See the one attached here. If I remember correctly it is a cheated, shaded? core with mica? The group the marble from this post came form was very large, several hundreds of marbles. A lot of them very common, but several unusual ones. With the help of Jeroen vV I picked out the most interesting. There was another marble like this one, with the same colors, but simpler design. England is still a great country for finding unusual marbles. Not the very big rare onionskins or swirls, but the smaller ones, probably from solitaire boards. Jeroen No way you're only going to post one pic!! How about some more pics of the one with mica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I was not the high bidder on that solitaire board unfortunately. So this photo was send to me by the auction house, and is the only good one I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmarblenut Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Looks new to me, most clear glass made prior to 1936 will have a very light glow under UV, manganese was removed from clear glass production in 1936, not all manufacturers used it, also the pontils are too fine, typical faceted pontils are a tad rougher and done with a rotation, not flat and strait, this looks to be ground on a 600 of finer diamond wheel, also, the slightly reversing twist on the one pontil makes me think contemporary as well as the many trapped bubbles under the cane, typical mistakes made by new glassworkers. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmarblenut Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 These are single faceted pontil marbles I made using a vintage German marble tool, I made a couple hundred in groups of 3-4 marbles per cane, I wish I had more photo's of them as some did look quite "old" I did sign them all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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