hdesousa Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Some years ago Gerry Coleman acquired a carton of Peltier Picture marbles - the set with 5 marbles. He made an astute observation that the bottom of the boxes were marked "A", "B" or "C". And each box had different combinations of picture marbles which corresponded to lettering on the bottom of each box. "A" boxes had Bimbo, Annie, Skeezix, Moon and Betty, as what's pictured on the front of the box. "B" boxes contained Koko, Sandy, Andy, Betty and Kayo. "C" boxes had Koko, Bimbo, Emma, Smitty and Herbie. Now you know; most boxes did not originally contain the 5 comic characters pictured on the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Most very interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I concur! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (Wow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hansel, I sure am glad you are posting this kind of stuff. And letting us see some of your collection is always a joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Great information - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckEye Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So were the worlds fair, mix, coates, hoover, just promotional mibs and given out at the worlds fair or did they possibly come in boxes too? Thanks for the photo eye candy, this is why I come here....to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 The 12 original comics were all that are known to have come in box sets. The other comics were very likely just a promotional item requested by a company looking for a unique way to advertise their product or simply a prototype made by Peltier in attempt to attract additional business from another company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadely1212 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 So were the worlds fair, mix, coates, hoover, just promotional mibs and given out at the worlds fair or did they possibly come in boxes too? Thanks for the photo eye candy, this is why I come here....to l the world fair and hoover were just post a few weeks back http://marbleconnection.com/topic/18986-ebay-as-a-wholesale-market/?hl=hoover#entry163732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 The Cote's Master Loaf marble was advertised as being part of the 12-marble box set. Check out p. 139 of AMMM. Well, it was pictured in an ad as part of the 12-marble box set. The fine print said the marbles come packaged in bulk, so I don't know if they were sold as box sets or if the boxes were part of a display for the grocers or what. p.s., the picture of the box set is a little odd -- looks like the Cote's Master Loaf marble was drawn onto a photo of a box with real marbles inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 You are correct, Steph. The Cote's marble was drawn in by hand and wasn't actually a part of the original photo used in the advertisement. The ad posted on pg. 139 in AMMM is likely a mock up presented to the bakery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Another interesting factoid about Peltier Picture Marbles is that many companies actually wrote Peltier recommending characters that would be popular with the youth of that time. There were recommendations for a Tarzan, Mickey Mouse, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Popeye marble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 None of the special picture marbles, the Cote's, Hoover, and cetera, were mentioned in the Peltier documents or correspondence, that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 That is correct, Mike. There is no mention of a Cote's Master Loaf, Tom Mix, Orange Crush, Coke Cola, Hoover for President or any other transfer (other than the base 12 King Syndicate comic characters) which is what makes them so wonderfully rare when you can find one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Does anyone know who owns the ad shown on page 139 of AMMM? Hansel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydetul62 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I asked a very well known comic guy a few questions at Canton. The Hoover was correct and is Pelt. The 1933 isn't pelt. Most likely a Master for Worlds Fair since they had the House of Marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Chad...Betty Boop, Bimbo, and Ko Ko were with Fleischer Art Service, not King Syndicate, I think... Clyde...I seem to remember that a rubber Hoover die stamp was found in a house 1/2 block from the factory in Ottawa, several years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 That is absolutely correct, Mike. I was under the assumption that all 12 characters were under license from King Syndicate. Guess I need to pay closer attention to the funny papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 The Agreement with Fleischer Art Service, Inc. commenced on August 1st, 1933. This was for permission to use their cartoon characters, Betty Boop, Bimbo, and Ko Ko. Peltier also had an Agreement with the Famous Artist's Syndicate, who were in control of the Chicago Tribune comic characters, for the rest of the original twelve picture marbles. Peltier was never able to reach an agreement with King Syndicate. They were only willing to offer Popeye, Krazy Kat, the Katzenjammer Kids, and Little Annie Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaMarble Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I think the agreement between Peltier and Fleischer Art Service, Inc. was valid from August 1st, 1933 through July 31st, 1934 but was actually signed (oddly enough) on August 10th, 1933. Sometimes business can get busy I guess...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydetul62 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 That could be Mike. I asked about the rarity of the two. I hadn't heard that story. Maybe someone in that area could chime in on it? I am not much into the comics but it was a treat to see the rarities. That was a recent thread and its why I asked him that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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