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Not sure what mib you found on eBay but i can't find any colored Sulphides...

I know SP did some coloring of some Sulphides a while back, not sure when or what ones, but i do recall him saying they was green and blue, and he was pretty tickled knowing he did some Repro's that was going to be passed off as real ones going for big bucks, but that's what he likes, knowing he's ripping some one off...

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Hansel de Sousa. I purchased one of these from Germany for big $$$ myself. It was displayed in Kansas City in my room at the marble show last March. He sat next to me and personally told me the story. He had them commissioned by a marble maker in Germany. They come in green and amber glass. I don't know what the other figures are that were made.

After they were finished he backed out of the deal with the maker because he didn't want to pay $30 each for them. Now they are being sold as vintage.

I am sure Hansel is following these threads and is more than welcome to chime in with more info. My point is, if you do these things, at least let the collecting world know about it so we won't be ripped off.

David, he doesn't give a [email protected] If he did, he would have come forward along time ago.

Craig

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Hansel was not following the threads until I gave him a heads up yesterday. He asked me to post the rest of the story. Here is his note (with me clarifying one pronoun). Thanks.

I told him [Craig] these particular sulphides were made by Norbert Geitner of

Lauscha at my request, to prove that miniature coin sulphides, which,

at the time, another German ebayer was then selling as antique, were

indeed new.

Other than the coins, Norbert had his choice of size, design and color.

At the time I had several of these new sulphides listed on eBay as

new, and Norbert listed some himself, also as new. They sold for less

than my costs, so I quit buying them.

There was no agreement to buy any particular number of marbles from

Norbert; neither did he have any constraints as to where or to whom he

could sell them. He was not the first nor the last to make modern

sulphides in Germany, and I was not his last customer.

Of note, that green eagle sulphide recently sold on eBay was not

listed as being old; I wonder if Craig's was.

One can't deny it's better to have repros sold as such; unfortunately

it may be impossible to educate collectors who have more $$$ than

sense, me included.

Hansel

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I am not sure but I believe that Hansel did the same with marble medals. He commissioned Scott Patrick to do the job. A couple ways to tell the difference is that silver medals are marked silver. Old vintage medals were not made of silver. The detail of the repro medals will not be as crisp as the originals. Nothing was said about these either except that when they started showing on the bay, Scott chimed in and said he had made them. The same question then applies to now. Why wasnt the marble community warned? Easy because of the the money the will bring being sold as old. clyde

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If Hansel sold reproduction items as new then where's the easy money?

And if he sold them as new, then wasn't that "warning" the marble community?

The community may have forgotten, and newbies like me have come along who simply don't yet know enough to suspect that there are repros. But we all learn at some point that there are things we don't know and we need to learn how to tell the new from the old.

I admit to bias here because I've always found Hansel generous with information. Still it seems to me the issue isn't about greed. To me it seems closer to the debate over whether contemporary handmade marbles should be signed by the maker.

Sorry if I'm missing out on something here.

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I am not sure but I believe that Hansel did the same with marble medals. He commissioned Scott Patrick to do the job. A couple ways to tell the difference is that silver medals are marked silver. Old vintage medals were not made of silver. The detail of the repro medals will not be as crisp as the originals. Nothing was said about these either except that when they started showing on the bay, Scott chimed in and said he had made them. The same question then applies to now. Why wasnt the marble community warned? Easy because of the the money the will bring being sold as old. clyde

Wow, if that is true its really hard to believe. My guess is he had them made, gave them to friends as gifts and those people ended up selling them and thats how they got on ebay etc.

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Sorry, if I was implying that Hansel was bad. I was not. He wasnt doing the the selling. As in this case he had them commissioned. It's the same if you have someone copy a painting, bronze statue etc. The fault isnt the person that has them made. The fault lies with the after market. The medals were marked as being silver. No marble medals are silver. This should have been the warning flag. Coins are the only thing I know where the government has stepped and says any coin not original must be stamped copy. In all collectibles you MUST learn what is out there and what is original. I also dont think there is anyone out that hasnt been burned at least once. It is a learning curve. Knowledge is the key and the power you learn to make the hobby enjoyable. Clyde

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All I can say is there sure are alot of naive people in this world.

Here is another from the same group of Hansels.

eBay item no. 120457398946

The coin and the eagle come in green, amber and clear and in various sizes. Not sure of any other figures.

I would be interested in knowing what he was trying to disprove with the fake marble medals.

Craig

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Re. reproduction sulphides, see Baumann's Collecting Antique Marbles. (pp. 139-41 in 4th ed., p. 88 in 3rd ed.)

Re. reproduction tournament medals, see Antique & Collectors Reproduction News, Vol. 9, #2, Feb 2000.

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Baumann says "bright greens and yellows" in reference to reproductions which have been appearing since the 1960s but he might not be talking about the glass. Maybe the figure itself. So nevermind. Still an interesting section. Discusses California sulphides at length. Just maybe not very applicable to this thread.

The ACRN article is three pages illustrated with many photos, showing differences between original die struck medals and the repros which were cast in molds, the molds being made from the originals.

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