richsantaclaus Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Did the Alox company make another marbles other than the swirl type with white glass inside either blue, green, brown or whitish transparent colors? If so, what were the colors? Were these marbles called slags or is a slag a different marble made by a different company? Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Chamberlain Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Rich, No slags in the Alox family I am aware of. They made solid chinese checker marbles, Opaque Swirls, translucent and transparent swirls and clearies. Some of their marbles even have striping or a brushed-like patch. I most all of these types except the Chinese Checker marbles. Too many marble when you visited last month. Not a chance to get to the Alox marbles. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Only Akro, Peltier, & Christensen produced machine-made slags. Slag production probably stopped sometime between 1928 - 1930. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted September 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 What's confusing is the pictures of Alox marbles at the Joe's marbles site. There is 1 page of them and they (in my eyes) look like slags. Can you guys help me understand the difference with those pictures of the marbles and the slags I own? Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Rich, I see that you've posted a refinement of your question. So my post already in progress doesn't appear to be relevant. However, someone might find it interesting so I'll go ahead and hit submit. ************** There are patches in this bag of Nancy's. Mr. Bales once posted individual shots of the marbles in this box: (click to enlarge) Some examples: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 What's confusing is the pictures of Alox marbles at the Joe's marbles site. There is 1 page of them and they (in my eyes) look like slags. Can you guys help me understand the difference with those pictures of the marbles and the slags I own? Thanks for your help. Since I hijacked your thread with the patches, I will try to get it back. Your question appears to be about the difference between Slags and Transparent Swirls. I don't trust my ability to explain it in words. However, here are some photos which might facilitate the discussion. Here's an example of a slag from Joe's MFC section and a transparent swirl from his Alox section. Here's a side by side comparison of Slags versus Transparent Swirls which Dani posted in a thread Felicia started on the subject. Clueless About Slags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeperman Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I also find it difficult to explain, but if I understand correctly slag glass is white mixed into another color prior to the form it is to be is made, it can be over or under mixed by the artisan, where a swirl was to colors injected together. Did I get that right? Or do I need to wear the bag....=} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted September 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 In my opinion, it seems by looking at the side-by-side picture, slags are a it more opaque and the swirls are a bit more transparent. I appreciate you help - a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The pictures are wonderful too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Actually I have found the transparent glass in slags to be clearer than what is usually found in swirls, I really don't think there is much besides experience that helps one determine whether a marble is a slag or a transparent swirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flanco Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Rich, I have one of those Alox boxes as well. Here is a photo of the marbles that came with it. I am pretty sure it is original as it has all the original paperwork and the shipping box it was sent in. Not a very good photo, but you can get some idea of the marbles that they made. I have included a shot of the price list that came with the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted September 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 The pictures help me a lot!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for posting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Wow, Pat. Have you ever tried to get a separate ID on the green, gold and white - or the red, white and blue - independent of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Actually I have found the transparent glass in slags to be clearer than what is usually found in swirls, I really don't think there is much besides experience that helps one determine whether a marble is a slag or a transparent swirl. What he said, mainly experience -- but I've found that the white in the swirls usually looks more like a thick-ish ribbon, in contrast with the much more variable white (thick, thin, stringy, filmy) in slags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I have a counterfeit bag of Alox... I'll see if I can locate it and get some pic's... Does anyone else have a counterfeit bag that they know of??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flanco Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Steph, I showed the box to Ron S at the WVMC show in 2009 and he said that a lot of the marbles looked like Alley to him. I can only say that I bought the box from Ray Collison and it is the same box shown in American Machine Made Marbles. Other than that I have no other knowledge of the marbles. Here are some photos of those marbles. Maybe Nancy Frier could shed some light on this if she sees this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Fascinating. Thanks! Gene, I have a set of the Army, Navy, Air Force fantasy bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I have a counterfeit bag of Alox... I'll see if I can locate it and get some pic's... Does anyone else have a counterfeit bag that they know of??? Here are the pic's... There are 2 more photos, I'll try to post them in another reply whithout resizing... Says there to big to upload, but they are all the same size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Here is #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Here's #3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Nancy Frier had this bag in hand when we were in Decatur this spring... She pointed out the difference in a true bag and the counterfeit bag, but we didn't have a true bag to compare it to... But in fact, according to Nancy, my bag is counterfeit. She didn't say anything about the marbles though... Do they look like Alox, or do I have to open the bag and take some pic's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'm thinkin your marbles are Jabos. The ones in my Army, Navy, Air Force bags are modern marble kings. I didn't think there were any real ones to compare these to. I was under the impression that Alox never did the Army, Navy, Air Force bags at all. (am open to correction if I have that wrong - thanks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'm thinkin your marbles are Jabos. The ones in my Army, Navy, Air Force bags are modern marble kings. I didn't think there were any real ones to compare these to. I was under the impression that Alox never did the Army, Navy, Air Force bags at all. (am open to correction if I have that wrong - thanks) Hey Steph, Not to sure about that?????????? She was saying something to the affect that the real bags had no periods possibly between the USA on the header. But I got the impression the bags were almost alike... Hey Nancy... We need some help here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted September 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I want to personally thanks you all for assisting me here - kudos to you all!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunnersDad Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Rich, you should also know that Alox did at one time purchase marbles from other manufacturers to backfill some of their bags and boxes. They didn't begin production until a few years after they started selling marbles. They decided that it would be more cost effective to make them in house versus buying them from other companies. As of right now I don't believe any of the original purchase orders have been located, but I am sure they are out there. Alox made some pretty marbles, but stuck to mostly transparent swirls and some larger sparkler types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Alox probably sold as many other manufacturers marbles as their own production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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