Swissmarble Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hi I picked up this marble lately. From the photos the seller sent to me I was pretty sure it was an onionskin. But when I had it in my hands, I started to doubt. Onionskins are usually fully covered, but this one has just spots. Also the pontils look different, it is more a small pit than a rough spot. I discussed with Jeroen from the Netherlands and he thinks it is a confetti cloud. It would be interesting to hear some other oppinions. The size is 1 1/2 inches. Thank you very much for your help. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hi, nice marble. The term "onionskin" as it applies to handmades is pretty broad since there are so many types under that category. "confetti cloud" is more of a sub-category and some might dispute by saying true clouds only have one pontil (ie: end of cane), but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Most onionskins have a opaque white or yellow base, this one is clear with unusual colors if that is really a lavender or purple. You don't see the clear base ones as often but they are out there. hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 That is one gorgeous marble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmuehlba Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Might be from China?? as I have a painted bird sulfide sitting on that kind of base , yours is the best and it is the complete marble like my base is ?? I was told that mine might be from china in the 20's ??? and yes I almost wish I would have gotten it before polishing . Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVVmarbles Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yes, my guess is also that's from China and made around 1920-1930, that's why the pontil is differet than on German marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Thanks for all your answers Yes, China was also Jeroen's guess. I didn't know they made marbles there during that time. And yes, the pontil definately looks different. The marble has pink and some purple spots in it among other colors. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I guess China too because of the clear not being yellowish and the frit on the exterior seems too colorful as if it were not old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Interesting, I would not have guessed Chinese based on the size and what I see in the pics. Although there are some similarities to the colors of single pontil "confetti" marbles that are rumored to have come from China. Maybe I'd have to see more 2-pontil Chinese marbles to compare it to. One of the pontils looks a bit odd, could be an "inny" rather than an "outty" but not unheard of. Is there any grinding or faceting? (might not have been necessary if it didn't stick out) Really cool marble and discussion, but to me it really looks like it could have come out of Germany, just like some of the other hand mades that were produced there. Definitely unusual colors and construction but I don't see anything that would rule Germany out. My opinion and if I'm wrong well maybe I'll learn something new:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I guess China too because of the clear not being yellowish and the frit on the exterior seems too colorful as if it were not old. Not old? Approximately how new do you have in mind? I would have guessed relatively old even if it did turn out to be from China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 It is definately "old". The seller inherited the marble from his grandmother, together with some other old (but not handmade) marbles. So it has to be made before World War II for sure. The pontil is indeed different, as one of you mentioned it is an "inny" (like a small pit). Thanks for your interesting thoughts, I really like these discussions here. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvdv Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 It is definately "old". The seller inherited the marble from his grandmother, together with some other old (but not handmade) marbles. So it has to be made before World War II for sure. The pontil is indeed different, as one of you mentioned it is an "inny" (like a small pit). Thanks for your interesting thoughts, I really like these discussions here. Ron And what about the value, can you compare that with a German one? Cees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmarble Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 And what about the value, can you compare that with a German one? Cees. I really don't know. A collector told me that the ones from China are even more valueable. But I have no idea to be honest. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Any other handmade collectors that can shed some light? It's a very interesting marble China or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryT35 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 It may be related to this one???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Nice marble Terry! I see what you mean about the colors and agree that it's a 'confetti-style' construction. There's something about the original post that looks a bit 'off' from that, and I'm just not quite convinced it's anything but a style made in Germany, from a cane, with two pontils... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 No more discussions on this style of marble?? Killer marble, diverse experience (ie: multi-continent), lots of people that have been collecting a long long time... if I weren't so interested in the subject matter I wouldn't be poking this thread with a cattle prod in an attempt to learn more. lol. I saw the other "confetti cloud" thread and got my hopes up. yeah well here's a prod. (Sorry Mike) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yes, my guess is also that's from China and made around 1920-1930, that's why the pontil is differet than on German marbles. Have you ever seen another two pontil marble from China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Not mine. Picture from Morphy Auctions. winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I looked very carefully at those two boxed marbles before the auction and could not convince myself they, nor the labels, were old. But remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence(of age). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVVmarbles Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Have you ever seen another two pontil marble from China? Yes, I have seen 2 confetti type marbles with 2 pontils being sold on eBay.co.uk years ago, and the seller bought them Shangai on a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVVmarbles Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I looked very carefully at those two boxed marbles before the auction and could not convince myself they, nor the labels, were old. But remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence(of age). I had my doubts on these marbles as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJnew2marbles Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I am confused, to me it looks like a German made marble. Very different from terry's killer marble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanoak Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Hi Hansel, I didn't get to see them in hand but pics weren't convincing when they sold. Didn't feel confident enough to bid so glad to hear your impression. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I noticed it appeared the fading of the boxes continued under the labels. Pretty good giveaway for added labels. Lots of marble collectors do get blinded with the chance of buying a great looking rare marble. I am amazed at the number of torched marbles that are appearing at shows. Usually in someones keeper box. very obvious if you know(and want to know)what to look for. This marble does look more German than Asian to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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