Mattshaw1953 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 And the second one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopacki Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Matt, I have never seen these colors in an old onion skin, could you give us some details as to where you got it and also if you think it is old or new. All my best .......... Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I was wondering the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 It's old. Nice marble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1313 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 killer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Hi all,yes I believe it's old.The listing starts around 20:35 UK time,Antique marbles should bring it up. My ebay ID is mattshaw1953. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Punter Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Has it been re-heated ? That second images shows a lot of ziggy,zaggy,wavy lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not sure what you mean?,which second image?,the one on here or the listing? I'm far from an expert,so I can't really answer you're question,sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 auction link http://www.ebay.com/itm/221609416225 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I was wondering the same thing. Me too. The blue blobbing on the first one and the equatorial break of colors on the second one are the main things I can't get past, though. Maybe somebody could explain? That would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skycollect Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 They look legit to me. I have seen others similar to the second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopacki Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 It's old. Nice marble. Bob, If this is truly an old onion skin the colors in it are different than most I have seen. Do you think these are perhaps a very early production? If so when would you guess they were made. All my best ........ Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Thanks Steph for the ebay link,much appreciated.I can't believe how helpful you all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Bob, If this is truly an old onion skin the colors in it are different than most I have seen. Do you think these are perhaps a very early production? If so when would you guess they were made. All my best ........ Danny I've only seen these odd colors come out of England, usually on Solitaire board sets. It's the same mfr as the other onion in that Ebay listing. They are definitely old. I don't know the name of the manufacturer. FWIW I have never seen a remelted marble come out of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Thanks for you're input Bob,valmontazur has a listing at the moment,which includes a couple of nice onionskins,sadly the nicer one has damage.This is the guy I acquired 9 onionskins from,maybe they are from the same set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Good luck with the auction, some of the machine made guys --- I understand where they question things, which is human nature. My guess is these were made earlier than most of the more common 'onionskins' The opaque colors can/could throw people off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshaw1953 Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Ah thanks,I did see a similar pair not too long ago which instead of the light blue,had a darker blue.They did really well,even with a big fracture in one.They were UK sold aswell. I guess to the U.S Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I've only seen these odd colors come out of England, usually on Solitaire board sets. It's the same mfr as the other onion in that Ebay listing. Timewise, if you associate these with English colors (and I can accept that, especially for the blue), then I believe they would be later rather than earlier in the scheme of onionskin things . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Timewise, if you associate these with English colors (and I can accept that, especially for the blue), then I believe they would be later rather than earlier in the scheme of onionskin things . . . Correct. Opaque colors, other than white and yellow, appeared after 1900. See this discussion: http://marbleconnection.com/topic/19219-opaque-colors/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjbkrb Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 There have been venetian glass beads around long before 1900 that are very opaque with other colors , such as the beads known as French Ambassadors , Louis and Clarks, ext. , also if you look at the archaic glass there are a few different colors that show up. Then what about the Greniers early opaque colors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Timewise, if you associate these with English colors (and I can accept that, especially for the blue), then I believe they would be later rather than earlier in the scheme of onionskin things . . . I agree with you Ann. The popularity of solitaire boards in upper middle class English parlors was late Victorian to Edwardian. So, that would put it in the 1890-1910 period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 There have been venetian glass beads around long before 1900 that are very opaque with other colors , such as the beads known as French Ambassadors , Louis and Clarks, ext. , also if you look at the archaic glass there are a few different colors that show up. Then what about the Greniers early opaque colors? Re the Venetian bead world, think different countries, different purposes. Glassmakers have always been secretive about their formulas, and none so more than the Venetians. Also, the beads you're talking about, "French Ambassador," "Lewis & Clark," etc. were mostly black-glass-based, best as I remember. Whoops, that pesky black glass again. And marble glass was somewhat different than bead glass, in that it quite literally was going to take hard, percussive hits from other glass and stone projectiles . . . bead glass didn't need to be quite so rugged. Which would have changed the basic formula somewhat. The Greiners used some opaque glass colors that I'm sure they developed themselves. But I don't think their formulas for opaque colors were known outside their small circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjbkrb Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Thanks for the added wisdom Ann ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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