Noodleloaf Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 I'm hoping cyclone/cobra but I've never seen one in person so really not sure what this is. It did come with a LOT of possible higher value CACs. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 If it's not a CAC it could be one of those Vacor Atmospere. I really hope it's a CAC though, because you just don't see them that often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 or is it just a Vacor Sunflower with a typical simple fold 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 I have never even found a lot with a bunch of high end CACs though...so it does seem odd there would be any Vacors in the same lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleloaf Posted November 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 I'm still relatively new, so for me "lots" of "higher-value" means a dozen $50+ each. Here are a few larger photos in case it helps - including a sad photo of the side with damage. It does have yellow, orange, black and a greenish-tinted white. Does the whitish color tip in in CAC favor or could still be Vacor? Also, it is 0.56-0.58 inches depending on where I measure (not on the chip) if that makes a difference. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peltier Mibber Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 It looks CAC. However, I may want it to be one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 The only way to identify as a Christensen agate cyclone is to locate a cut line on the clear glass. A loupe will help you locate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 At that size I'd rule out Vacor Atmosphere (knowing the size is a good way to narrow down possibilities). Does have similar colors/size to a Vacor Sunflower, although I haven't seen an example with white. Pattern looks like it could be CAC. I'll sit back on the sidelines and see what the people more familiar with these have to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Quote Some CAC traits: clarity of glass, brightness of colors, being slightly out of round, the "ear" (first pic, the orange) and the cut line (last pic, left side, about 9 o'clock?). Appears it has them all, I just can't be sure about the cut line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleloaf Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 11 hours ago, dannyboy said: Appears it has them all, I just can't be sure about the cut line. The 9 o'clock must have been a reflection. I can't locate a second seam even with a loupe. There is an interesting sharp cut off in the last black fleck (see below) which seems to extend beyond the fleck with a barely noticeable change in the glass to the left, but I wouldn't think it is a seam. It is odd how the fleck is stretched at one angle (see 1st pic of additional photos) but a straight line at another angle. Would a dealer be able to confirm if I took it to a show? Being in FL there's no place I know to get an expert opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 There doesn't have to be two seams/cut lines. This is what I was thinking of; 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Cyclones I have seen usually have a single cut line. I actually do not remember seeing any with two cut lines. They are also most of the time small in size although I have seen up to 23/32”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Is that bubbles in the glass or damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleloaf Posted December 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 On 12/2/2019 at 4:15 PM, dannyboy said: Is that bubbles in the glass or damage? There are small bubbles in the glass, but second to last set of pictures is surface damage. I think I've figured something out - see if this makes sense: it appears to me to be a CAC cyclone that has been damaged and polished. I noticed a somewhat slippery feel to the marble and much of the surface pits are rounded and smooth rather than sharp like I have seen on other marbles. Can polishing make detection of the seam more difficult? In any case, I appreciate all the feedback. Time for me to move on to other puzzles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Polishing would erase the cut line and would be a bad idea for this sort of marble but it is totally possible if there was nothing to lose to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff54 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 Humm, not sure why this post popped up, but while I here and it wasn't answered completely:, Yes CAC Cobra/Cyclone can have 1 or two seams and the answer is pretty simple for the colors and its ribbons that are streams; modern and fixed verses random. CAC is similar to a slag. @Nantucketdink nailed it: A Vacor Sunflower. These are CAC with single and two seams: Vacor Sunflower: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vacor-alamo-toy-marbles-sunflower-box-1814645430 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleloaf Posted June 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 Jeff - I’ve still got that one these years later, so still helpful for me and others. Thanks! That purple-yellow combo is stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Please show the mibs it came with… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleloaf Posted June 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 8 hours ago, schmoozer said: Please show the mibs it came with… Not my pic - this is from Morphys but shows the lot together as purchased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 Now that’s a LOT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleloaf Posted June 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 It was a special bunch for sure but the context isn’t as helpful as it seems because there was at least one Vacor, a few modern and the lot was just labeled as handmade and machine made marbles so … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 I still think it's an interesting marble. Curious if you'd had anybody look at it in these last few years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Would Morphy auction a cyclone in a group of mibs? That seems odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peltier Mibber Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, schmoozer said: Would Morphy auction a cyclone in a group of mibs? That seems odd to me. Interesting thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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