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@Fire1981 FWIW, I have seen these marbles in hand. There is one right front in this group. It's not as nice as yours and the ribbon placement is a bit different but it still intended to have pink and white polar patches with blue equatorial ribbons. My guess is that these predate Tiger Eyes and may have even been produced at Vienna. Maybe an easier way to say it is that I think the lower right marble could have easily come out looking just like yours. 🙂

FWIW, I could easily see this as a reworked RFF.

I think they are MK - the two in back are newer and the right front is just sloppy IMO.

Colors and seams can both be important but sometimes neither helps. I haven't spent any significant time consulting original packaging to try and figure these types out because knowing who made them will not make them any more or less attractive to the vast majority of collectors, me included.

Funky is a good description - not a signature I recognize. It looks like it has a little bling it too.

That's from back to front, Melissa.

@Fire1981 Look what you started. I really appreciate it too! Might have to get back with you on that marble though. lol

I guess that's a compliment? 😀

You'd think a coyote would have more sense.

Type 2s are definitely harder to find - I'll have to see if I have one with those particular colors. But you know me - I won't be getting into the archives until tomorrow, it's already way past my bedtime. lol I'm going to bring some examples to the Decatur show and we can have some more discussion then. Hopefully, you'll still talk to me. lol

This is typical of humans . . . we try to make nice tidy rules about how things are supposed to be but there are always exceptions that muddle everything up. lol That's why I was saying that a Type I with two ribbons of the same color around the equator or a Type II with a white bottom patch are the same marble as long as the top patch and equatorial ribbons are the same.

I doubt Art Fisher knew that.

That's why it would be rare and unusual!

Now I'm just going to goof with you . . . Maybe it would be a very rare and unusual Type II with a white patch on the bottom pole. lol

We could call it Type IB . . .

@wvrons It's been fun though! lol And why not a Type I with two equatorial ribbons of the same color - I know it would be unusual and doesn't really fit the definition of a Type I (because they are supposed to have two different color equatorial ribbons) but it sure seams like a possibility to me.

You're the one that taught me about offset seams! lol It's how some Vitros get the twist in them . . . if you look at the marble with the top patch up and just spin it on its axis like a globe, one seam will be like -- and the other like |. And what I think Rick is saying is that this marble has a pink top patch a white bottom patch and two baby blue equatorial ribbons on a clear transparent base.

@wvrons I'm back on track - my monitor was off. It's obvious to me now. Related question, but a little different: Have you ever seen a transparent-based Vitro with a colored top patch, a white bottom patch, and two equatorial ribbons of the same color? That's what I was driving at with the question about a Type I Tiger Eye with two equatorial ribbons of the same color.

So maybe what we have is a pink patch and blue equatorial ribbons veneered on a white base, which I guess just makes it a patch?

Oh, I know this Ron. My problem was that the top and bottom poles both looked white to me and there appears to be blue around the equator. But I just adjusted the color on my monitor and now it does look like there is a pinkish patch on the top pole.

Rick says it's veneered so if the top patch has color, and if the bottom patch is white (like it looks to me), would that make it like a Type I Tiger Eye with two blue equatorial ribbons? I may need to calibrate the color on my monitor.

No doubt, if the patch has color that changes everything - it looks white on my monitor.

If it's veneered, it's a newer style Whitie. If it's not veneered it's an older style Whitie. Either way, it's a Whitie.

It looks contemporary to me - seems a little too well done for machine made IMO.

Sort of like Schrodinger's Cat - all possibilities are in play at this point. 😀