when they first appeared they were shopped around the shows ...behind closed doors and muted speak...psst...ck these out....it was very sneaky and underhanded in my view and others....they were dealt under high security and certain parties were whisked around the halls and escorted to cetain locked rooms where the elders were summoned... i can remember guards were placed outside to divert people away from the parkin lot to eliminate the possibility of unwanted people seein seein the marbles...all very sneaky and unfriendly....somebody knew where they came from and who was intended to see em...im purty sure theres a few on this board who know exactly where they came from...prob a couple who wished they knew and will try to convince you that they know....have you noticed that..... its always the few same people connected to controversial dealings....hmmmmm....