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Largest feathered Peltier slag I have seen was 1”.

Out of round marbles should be graded straight down to 9.4 and should be mentioned in the description as to the reason of the grade scale.

Welcome back Joe and happy new year! Just saw this post.

Following Chad’s post, yes, Blue Zebras exist. There is an early Miller version, which I have never seen containing any aventurine. Those are typically larger size, always with very attractive, gorgeous patterns. Blue ribbons on white base. NLR version is as attractive and maybe a bit easier to find. Those contain heavy blue aventurine and are magnificent marbles.

Without a question internet made a huge impact on new names through eBay, message boards and all other platforms, when people started communicating in real time. You can check some early running rabbit auctions and even the all time great name Peltier “Tiger” wasn’t used then.

There are a lot of collectors in central California. My bi-annual meetings still ongoing in the Bay Area, next tentatively scheduled mid April. Pm me your email and we will take it from there. Sami

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Hey Chad, good to see you here buddy.

At the moment Vegas show is on and hopefully it will stay that way.

That one looks like a master sunburst.

Hi Andrea, yes your Blue Bee is doing very well in the family. Has a cozy spot. I still have few copies left. Will send a pm. Edit: tried to sent a pm but got a message that you can’t receive messages. Send me your mailing address so I’ll send you a copy of the book. Best Sami

Andrea, if that marble is definitely a CAC it may be classified as a fancy lace family. Laces are patch type filaments on surface of transparent base running between cutlines. I have seen white or other colors on colored transparent base glass. Blue lace is the most known example.

They look really nice masters sunburst to me.

There is a resemblance to the untrained eye specially the cutlines but there are fundamental differences between the two marbles. Peltier has 6 ribbons while marble king has two ribbons and a patch.

It is definitely Peltier nlr Christmas tree. With the added brown it has additional character and it’s a killer. Congrats on finding it. That is what it’s all about finding that great marble at the corner antique shop.

I am not clear what you are asking but yours could be a different type of stone. It looks like a dark brown dyed banded agate but could be onyx. There are many different types of agates and other stones out there. If it has facets it is handcut.

Miller swirls as the collectors named it are Peltier marbles. William Miller might have designed machines for other companies but that is irrelevant. It is not proved obviously yet that he even designed the machines for miller swirls. We got your point on that one already. Early miller patents or publishings need to be studied to prove either way. First slags by Peltier are thought to be handgathered and hard to distinguish from akro slags. Third question seems to be same as first. NLRs can also be swirly but the cutlines and ribbons are easily recognizable. Miller swirls do have at least one cutline. Sometimes second cutline might be visible but the cutlines are short, swirly, looking more like a fold line rather than a cutline and sometimes hard to see. Also, ribbon count is not as straight as National Line Rainbos and can be hard to count due to extreme swirling.

I agree millers were one of the first all machinemade marbles. Not from a technical but from a visual observation point of view handgathered - machine rounded transitional marbles have a simpler pattern and coloring, not to mention the “9” most have and Miller swirls having a spectacular elaborate patterns, Peltier must have been very happy with what they have achieved. Problems possibly were high labor requirement, not making enough marbles per day, looking for ways to improve that and also possibly high rejection rate forced them to invent other patents and eventually create national line rainbos.

Thanks for the additional info. Yes, I am aware very early on Peltier made handgathered marbles and Miller swirls could also be handgathered. Those years the companies were racing to meet the demand, inventing new machines or improving what they already have was common occurrence and they probably had few machines running parallel every day. At this point whatever I’ll say is speculation so I will leave it at that. Great discussion.

Ok I am sure I am missing something here but the first patent above is dated 1933, second 1932 and third 1934. Miller swirls are dated early production which could be as early as 1924 and probably gone to nlrs by end of the decade. Can patent date and production date differ this much?

Brian, can you tell us from your research how did you come up with the conclusion that miller had nothing to do with the remaining part of marble production in Peltier other than rollers. In other words miller only designed the rollers and others designed the feeder part. And who might that be? I am trying to find the patent I saw years ago here on this board by miller stating that the machine is responsible creating elaborate patterns on marbles.

As far as grading a polished marble as mint the answer is no. Since grading is for original surface, a polished marble cannot be graded. A description stating all damage has been removed would be appropriate.

I don’t know the name of the company Stephen and I might have said Czech by mistake. I would have meant German circus. They look similar to European striped opaques/transparents and slags. By the way, to me they are European. Not 100% sure the country of origin, just hearsay.

As a starter I am against polishing machinemades. It will definitely not gain anything and will be a waisted effort. Handmades to a certain degree is ok if the marble has a thick clear case that will allow the polishing to save some of the marble. Having said that, after polishing the marble should be all round because of the machine taking the skin all around the marble evenly.

Are the out of round Peltiers reconditioned?